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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61451: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:38:12 AM

Yeah for Captain Marvel she doesn't need protection or armor, she just needs something that she could wear without getting ripped.

"Unstable molecules" I guess.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61452: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:41:00 AM

Does it? I actually feel that the spandex looks limits the options and makes all heroes who wear that stuff look kind of samey. For example I feel that the costume Scarlet Witch had in Civil War has way more character than the boring red suit with the ridiculous headdress.

(I suspect that drawing the spandex look is simply easier than dealing with a lot of fabric).

edited 12th Aug '16 8:42:10 AM by Swanpride

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#61453: Aug 12th 2016 at 9:34:20 AM

Eh. Drawing accurate anatomy is way more work than fudging clothing drapery, because people know and care what human beings look like. Skintight costumes are there for Author Appeal. They went on being popular for the same reasons that pro wrestling or football or gladiatorial bloodsport have always been popular, ie. yeah, it's a power fantasy for most, and probably a fetish for many.

Of course porn being more readily available than ever and societal roles not being quite so hidebound as of late, the medium is changing.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#61454: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:42:20 AM

It allows freedom in that you can invent any material you want and design the look with little regard to logic or common sense. A material you design can have any properties you want often outright ignoring the laws of physics. I admit that it leads to power and/or sex appeal designs more often than not but there you go.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#61455: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:31:43 PM

You could do both. MCU Black Widow's suit is pretty plainly a catsuit, but -to me, at least- it still looks sturdy enough to give her some protection.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61456: Aug 12th 2016 at 5:26:01 PM

Whatever fabric they do end up going with, my guess is they'll try to explain it away as being alien in nature or something. Just so they don't have to explain how she can fight in it without it constantly being destroyed.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61457: Aug 12th 2016 at 6:08:48 PM

Whatever they do, don't make it CG like the Green Lantern movie.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#61458: Aug 12th 2016 at 6:10:54 PM

They've already said they plan to heavily alter her origin story in order to dodge the Green Lantern comparison, so I doubt they'd fall into that particular trap.

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#61459: Aug 12th 2016 at 6:15:29 PM

[up][up] Ugh, why do you have to remind me? Whoever thought that ugly thing is a good idea? Thanks god MCU's costumes tend to be on the good-average scale. My favorite has to be Iron Man, Cap WW II and CW Scarlet Witch.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61460: Aug 12th 2016 at 7:13:25 PM

I can see why they went with it in theory. They felt an alien costume made from energy should look a little more impressive than a cloth outfit like it's usually drawn as in the comics.

The problem is it just looked really fake and silly.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61461: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:09:56 PM

Though on the subject of Captain Marvel I could see them doing what they did with Black Panther's costume. Make a practical suit and then jazz it up a bit with CGI in post-production.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61462: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:15:40 PM

The MCU has really good costumers with a handful of exceptions. Carol's probably gonna be fine.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#61463: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:17:19 PM

I personally wasn't a fan of Cap's outfit in The Avengers. The colors were a little bright for my tastes, and it wound up looking a bit garish in live action. His outfits in subsequent movies have been fine, though.

edited 12th Aug '16 10:17:31 PM by RBluefish

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61464: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:19:51 PM

That's pretty much one of the few costumes people can agree on disliking. All of his other costumes have been topnotch, though they have yet to beat the one he had in the first movie.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#61465: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:23:32 PM

Not just me, then. Good. I get that they were going for a very deliberately comic-booky look, but when you put him next to the other Avengers with their more down-to-earth costumes, he wound up looking slightly ridiculous.

I actually like Thor's look quite a bit. He could easily have suffered in the jump to live action, but between the flowing red cape, the chain mail arms, and Chris Hemsworth, they pulled it off impressively.

And then there's Black Panther, of course.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#61466: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:33:44 PM

[up][up]I feel like there's ways it could have worked. If it was a little more structured, if it was darker. The film's already pretty saturated, so if they could have gotten a little highlight/shadow contrast, that could have helped it. Looking at the concept art the overall design is pretty cool, but it just wasn't put together as well as it could have been. Also all the concept art seems to put it under shadows, whereas in the movie itself it was highly lit all the time. I get the feeling that the the costume was approved under dimmer, more naturalistic light, but it does look garish on film. The costume in Civil War is similar, but fixes those exact flaws.

The WWII costume is just so good, though. Any excuse to get closer to that again is fine by me.

edited 12th Aug '16 10:34:19 PM by Unsung

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61467: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:44:47 PM

Thor's costumes are pretty much the baseline for costume quality when it comes to the MCU. Which is honestly a pretty high one. And his compadres' are even better. Say what you will about Loki's other attributes but at the least he's walking Costume Porn.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#61468: Aug 12th 2016 at 10:48:49 PM

I wasn't a huge fan of the animated eyeslits in Spider-Man's costume, but I see what they were going for with it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61469: Aug 13th 2016 at 1:58:43 AM

I really dislike the Black Widow costume in Age of Ultron. I know that it is hard to change her look to something new, but the blue stripes just look silly, and don't really fit the idea of a sneaky spy.

Otherwise I am really laid back when it comes to costumes. Cap's costume in The Avengers is my least favourite because it looks the least realistic, but then, this is kind of the point. After all, Coulson designed it. It is supposed to look a little bit ridiculous.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61470: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:02:21 AM

It's not a great one for her character, and wedge heels are a fashion crime, but otherwise as a standalone costume free of context it's alright.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61471: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:04:58 AM

[up] Well, context matters for me.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#61472: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:18:23 AM

'and don't really fit the idea of a sneaky spy.'

Yeah but at this point she's really not functioning as a spy at all.

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#61473: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:25:11 AM

...I didn't notice she was wearing heels before.

Goddammit, Marvel.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#61474: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:58:41 AM

I think the blue stripes fit her Widow Bite.

As for Cap's WW 2 suit, I love the "soldier" look and how they incorporate the red stripes, but the gray stripes make his shoulders look overly broad.

Cap's Avengers suit: should've kept the helmet and chinstrap. The gray armpits are weird.

Cap's SHIELD suit. Pretty cool, but the lack of red makes his shield look out of place. Cap's WW 2 suit in the second movie has that odd middle stripe which I don't like.

Cap's Ultron and Civil War suits: Fine balance of colors, but I don't like the stripes' shape.

edited 13th Aug '16 4:05:30 AM by flameboy21th

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61475: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:59:46 AM

Yeah Black Widow's status as "sneaky spy" when she joined the Avengers and then publically testified in front of Congress after SHIELD fell.

And she's had wedges for all of her appearances actually (because Scarlett is not a tall woman, so the wedges add a few inches on her height at least). The various movies just take care to shoot her in ways that mask her wedges most of the time. For example, I wouldn't have known that she had them in The Avengers if I hadn't have stumbled onto a BTS still photo of her in-costume.


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