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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I like Punisher but I'm a bit skeptical of whether he can pull off his own show. I feel like he works best as a supporting character in other shows.
I hope he shows up in Defenders occasionally, either as a Friendly Enemy or temporary ally.
Him killing Nobu (or trying to kill him, anyway) calls back to episode 3, when Frank says "You're just one bad day away from becoming me." Frank was right.
I thought it was kinda interesting myself, since the whole season's theme was Daredevil's refusal to cross that line, and how he deals with people who already have many times, like Punisher, Elektra, and Stick. It doesn't really cast any moral judgment one way or another on him throwing Nobu off a roof, it just is what it is. A man with a strict moral code being pushed past the breaking point and snapping, forgetting all about his rules.
Unless he tries to weasel out of it with "technically I didn't kill him, he survived the fall and Stick sticked him", it should be interesting to see how he rationalizes his "no killing" policy with the blood on his hands, justified or not.
edited 10th Aug '16 4:33:40 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Well, I mean, he already thought he killed Nobu. That bit is glossed over though — did he rationalize it by saying that it he didn't know he was going to kill him? Or that it was self defense? Because he didn't mention it later on and only when Nobu came back did he say "But you're dead."
Honestly, I think Nobu was kind of wasted. He could have been a great Big Bad, but he had so very little screentime at the end.
edited 10th Aug '16 4:52:39 PM by alliterator
I think he rationalized Nobu's first death as an accident. He didn't mean to set him on fire, but it happened, and Kingpin probably could have extinguished him but chose not to.
Oddly, Matt also spoke of Nobu in the present tense after the bonfire, implying that he thought Nobu was still alive somehow, yet when Nobu shows up in Season 2 he believed he was dead. He had no reason to believe Nobu survived the fire, so it's kind of odd.
And yeah, my biggest criticism with Season 2 is that Nobu is kind of a bland villain; he's just this ominous undead guy who wants Elektra for reasons known only to The Hand, and comes across as little more than an Elite Mook. We never really learn much about his own personal desires and thoughts, and the most development we get is him looking distressed and disgusted with himself after Elektra dies before RageQuitting. Not nearly as engaging as Kingpin was (or is. He's still the best villain even in Season 2).
edited 10th Aug '16 5:04:47 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!As I recall, the fight ended when Matt threw Nobu's weapon back at him, but Nobu deflected it, causing it to fly upward, hit the light, and cause the sparks that set him on fire. So I guess from Matt's perspective, he doesn't see himself as having killed Nobu, since it was technically Nobu's own actions that caused his death, even if those actions were in response to Matt's actions.
Not Nobu's weapon. He threw one of his own sticks at Nobu and Nobu deflected it upward with his kyoketsu-shoge.
But that's just pedantry. His death was an accident. The person with the most blame would be Fisk and his men for deliberately choosing to let Nobu burn out.
edited 10th Aug '16 10:04:16 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Speaking of the Shocker in Homecoming, these guys claim he'll be played by Bokeem Woodbine.
Hmm, interesting. A lot of people's theories about them updating her origin involved making it more like Green Lantern and turning Mar-Vell into an Abin Sur figure who grants her his powers before promptly dying. I wonder if he'll even be around in the MCU, since his presence may be unnecessarily convoluted. Either way if they decide not to adapt him I hope they can find a way to bring either of his children in somehow.
Yes, we have the Kree. They've shown up in both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Guardians of the Galaxy. Ronan and his men were Kree.
Also, while I'm sad to see him go, an advantage of losing Mar-Vell is that it sidesteps the weirdness of having his name become a Legacy title.
Because that's always been kinda awkward. Like having Bucky or Sam become the new Steve Rogers.
edited 11th Aug '16 7:23:39 AM by TobiasDrake
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Bizarrely enough, there were actual several Buckys, although some of them were only called that because Captain America and Bucky of the 50s were retconned as people hired to pretend to be Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes so people didn't get demoralized due to discovering they were dead (which they weren't, but everyone thought they were). I think Bucky Barnes' granddaughter in the Ultimates universe used the name, too? (And then she used Nomad. And then she died. I think.)
I would be totally happy with sidestepping Mar Vell entirely...or making him female.
Same. Although I have to admit I did like the Earths Mightiest Heroes take on the origin story which was like a deconstructive version of The Day the Earth Stood Still where he was basically Klaatu, but the aliens in the We Come in Peace — Shoot to Kill scenario were the bad guys. And it's also kind of cool because he essentially has the same plan and methods (albeit with less dog kicking) as Loki in the Avengers but for completely altruistic reasons- he needs to conquer Earth and get them to bow down before the Kree or the Kree will nuke our planet.
Not a fan though of the apparent implication in the show that using her powers made Carol a violent exhibitionist.
I'd also add that as interesting as that episode was for its use/twisting of 1950's films, it does mean that Carol starts out as more of a Distressed Damsel and there's this element of her having a crush on Mar-vell and therefore having a personal aspect of being angered at his betrayal of Earth/her.
edited 11th Aug '16 8:41:33 AM by Hodor2
Spandex costumes have always been ridiculous, ESPECIALLY for female characters. Fortunately, Marvel's getting better on that.
Also fortunately, the movie seems to be getting its costume ideas more from this
◊ than this
◊. She is a military woman. She should look the part.
edited 11th Aug '16 8:41:36 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah. I expect they'll use the first one, especially since Larson filmed herself wearing/reading that version.
But the Earths Mightiest Heroes used the classic stripperific/"wedgie" outfit.
And I don't know if this is based on anything in the comics, but there definitely seemed to be an element of either her powers messing with her head or Carol having some kind of fetish of dressing in skimpy clothing and beating the shit out of people.
edited 11th Aug '16 8:46:10 AM by Hodor2
Yeah. EMH had her original Captain Marvel derivative
◊ leotard. Thankfully, they at least resisted the urge to use this version
◊ of it.
Carol has had a lot of terrible costumes over the course of her career.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'd be for it if it shows up as part of a Costume-Test Montage and she says "No way in hell."
Kinda like how they had Captain America's classic costume show up in the silly USO musical scenes.
All of that said, it was nice of EMH to try and help bring Carol out into the public consciousness a bit. For about a decade, her powerset was more famous than her.
The 90's X-Men cartoon embedded Rogue in the public consciousness with all of Carol's Flying Brick powers, which she had stolen from extended contact during a fight. This is a thing that happened in the comics, but it was only a brief period of the characters' histories.
However, because it was in the cartoon, it became a mainstay of how audiences thought of Rogue for years. Even when later adaptations came out minus Carol's powers such as X Men and X Men Evolution, people were asking when Rogue was going to get the rest of her powers.
And for those who did know the powers were stolen from Ms. Marvel, that was all they knew about Ms. Marvel. So far as the public was concerned, Ms. Marvel succumbed to Death by Origin Story to build up Rogue.
edited 11th Aug '16 8:58:59 AM by TobiasDrake
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Joe Robert Cole talks about the Black Panther movie
. I was kind of put off by his lack of writing credits previously, but am a little elated to learn he wrote for The People vs. O.J. Simpson, which I loved.