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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61276: Aug 9th 2016 at 2:50:07 PM

Shame Cottonmouth isn't dressed like a leprechaun, though.

Still, that trailer is amazing! And it looks like Claire will have a pretty big role if her presence in the trailer is anything to go by. Really looking forward to this.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#61277: Aug 9th 2016 at 2:57:56 PM

Oh hey look, two people of Asian descent that aren't criminals!

But seriously, I'm hyped for Luke Cage now. I gotta get back to watching the Marvel Netflix shows now.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61278: Aug 9th 2016 at 3:36:42 PM

The magic in Doctor Strange will just be magic, Scott Derrickson says.

Not sure how many of you care, I personally don't, but I know a lot of people have expressed issues elsewhere that the MCU was pushing too hard to come up with scientific or technological explanations for magic in the films.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#61279: Aug 9th 2016 at 3:59:26 PM

I kind of wonder how they deal with the Reva Connors storyline in this series because of all the change they made to it. And Claire and Misty looks awesome.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#61280: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:09:07 PM

@Adric- Well, for this show, we'll have to count the black people who aren't criminals (great trailer and very hyped but have to admit that crossed my mind)

RE Doctor Strange, reminded me of something. So I recall when Agent Carter's second season was going on there was an indication that the Darkforce (forget what they called it) would have some connection to the magic in Doctor Strange. Nothing in the Strange trailers so far suggests that, and I'd rather it didn't. Because as much as I love Agent Carter (#SAVEAGENTCARTER), the second season presented the Darkforce in a way that awkwardly went from Raygun Gothic science to sort of Lovecraftian magic in a way that I thought didn't serve either well.

[up] Hmm. Well, it seems like the show will be a prequel to anything in Jessica Jones. Not sure though whether it will be before or after Cage married. I'd guess afterward though.

edited 9th Aug '16 4:11:32 PM by Hodor2

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#61281: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:12:35 PM

So it occurs to me:

Luke is certainly not the most broken character in marvel, but considering he's dealing with street level Mooks it seems hard to believe anyone is gonna provide a challenge to him (physically at least, because there are other ways to fight Luke that don't need a person to throw a punch, and he can't hit everything).

I mean, Matt is fighting city wide corruption and and a mystical Ninja Conspiracy, and Jessica took on someone who, for most of the story couldn't be beaten with strength because it was too dangerous to get within earshot of him (though Jessica turned out to be immune, but she didn't know that for most of the story).

Luke is operating on a much lower scale, and has the raw brute strength and durability to basically make anyone and everyone stupid enough to go up against him his bitch.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#61282: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:14:31 PM

There was a discussion about that a while back (I can't remember if it was on this thread or a similar thread), but it is possible to harm Cage in certain ways, apparently.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#61283: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:15:17 PM

I vaguely got the feeling from a clip toward the end of the trailer (as well as general Genre Savvy about how comic books work) that Cottonmouth will probably get a power-up that puts him on an equal/superior physical footing.

But yeah, I don't get the sense of Luke having physical challenges. It's more like avoiding his loved ones/neighborhood being harmed and/or getting arrested.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#61284: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:33:50 PM

Hmm. Well, it seems like the show will be a prequel to anything in Jessica Jones. Not sure though whether it will be before or after Cage married. I'd guess afterward though.

I don't think it will be a prequel because of Claire. As far as I remember, she didn't know Luke in JJ, but she interacts with him in the trailer like she does.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#61285: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:36:26 PM

He was put in a serious medical condition in Jessica Jones by having a shotgun fired point blank under his chin.

Meanwhile, he walks out of explosions just fine.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#61286: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:37:44 PM

I didn't really get the impression that it was a prequel, but it would make sense for there to be flashbacks— Daredevil and Jessica Jones both make frequent use of flashbacks. Could also start before Jessica Jones and then Time Skip to afterwards later in the series, or even cut back and forth as a regular thing per episode.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#61287: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:41:18 PM

Hmm. You might be right. I was assuming flashback based on the assumption that this was set shortly after he received his powers. Come to think of it though it would make sense that it was after Jessica Jones- not just because of Claire but because in that show, Luke has no interest/involvement in heroism. It could be (as I was assuming) that he was involved in heroism but things went south and he went into bar-tending/keeping his nose down, but it would be less pessimistic if post-Jessica Jones he went into heroing.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61288: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:53:55 PM

A while back someone (I think Colter) said it's a sequel and a prequel. It's after Jessica Jones but with flashbacks to his origin, which was never covered in the prior series.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#61289: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:17:51 PM

This has probably come up in the thread before, but does IGH have a comic book equivalent? They're tied to Jessica and Simpson's origins, at the very least. What about Matt and Luke's? I'm wondering if this is the thread that ties it all together, like maybe they're a subsidiary of the Rand Corporation or something.

Well, the uniting thread other than Claire Temple, I mean.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:34:27 PM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61290: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:23:30 PM

Loki is back.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:24:20 PM by comicwriter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61291: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:25:26 PM

The thing about Luke Cage is that he's bulletproof, but the rest of Harlem isn't. You know, like the trailer said. tongue

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61293: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:23:39 PM

He's one of the few consistently interesting things about the Thor films, so I kind of like him as a character, even if his more rabid fans are annoying and I don't approve of his actions (can't believe this has to be said in this day and age).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61294: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:25:56 PM

You kinda have to have Loki in the movie in some capacity given the way the last one ended, anyway.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#61295: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:33:59 PM

[up]I just dont want him stealing the spotlight away from Hela or Skurge. He had his time in the sun already (for 3 whole goddamn movies in fact).

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61296: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:34:07 PM

True. I don't even mind him anymore, I just acknowledge that I never caught on the Loki train.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61297: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:48:13 PM

Yeah hopefully Waikiti seems to have it fairly under control compared to the written-by-committee mess that was The Dark World. I'm fine with him being in the film, I just don't want him to consume it or for it to be Hijacked by Ganon.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:48:53 PM by AlleyOop

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#61298: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:59:31 PM

Not sure how many of you care, I personally don't, but I know a lot of people have expressed issues elsewhere that the MCU was pushing too hard to come up with scientific or technological explanations for magic in the films.
Thank Insert Deity Here! One thing I've always liked about the Marvel Universe, and superhero comics in general, was how you could have gods and wizards in the same universe, and often on the same team, as various aliens, mutants and super-scientists. I tend to hate it when writers do in the wizard, so making Asgardians in the MCU into Clarke's Third Law powered Ancient Astronauts always rubbed me the wrong way. So Derrickson just coming out and saying, "it's magic" seriously means a lot to me.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61299: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:21:00 PM

This has probably come up in the thread before, but does IGH have a comic book equivalent? They're tied to Jessica and Simpson's origins, at the very least. What about Matt and Luke's? I'm wondering if this is the thread that ties it all together, like maybe they're a subsidiary of the Rand Corporation or something.
There is no IGH in the comics. In the comics, Jessica got her powers because a truck full of toxic waste accidentally ran into her family's car and she was the only survivor. She was in a coma for months, in fact, but when she woke up, she discovered she had powers.

Simpson's origins in the comic are much different — he's actually a product of the Weapon Plus project, more accurately, he's Weapon VII, another attempt at creating the Super Soldier Serum. He has that in common with Luke Cage, who got his powers from another attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, this time using prisoners at Seagate Prison.

Matt got his powers (and was blinded) by a toxic waste spill, similar to Jessica. And Danny Rand got his powers from hugging a dragon until it went to sleep.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#61300: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:35:54 PM

[up] ... That is a seriously anticlimatic way to get your power. [lol]


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