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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#61076: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:23:06 PM

Ironically, while Cap is generally more reliable than bitter old Hank Pym, Hank was right and Cap was wrong. They were both telling the truth as they knew it, Cap just didn't realize he was playing right into the bad guy's hands.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61077: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:33:44 PM

Helping who is the leader of the Avengers to leave the country is actually less boneheaded than helping some old guy with committing an act of terrorism on his former company.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#61078: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:39:59 PM

When said Avengers leader is aiding a wanted fugitive and you don't even as what's really going on, I'd say that's just as boneheaded as the one with helping the old guy commit terrorism.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#61079: Jul 30th 2016 at 11:15:43 PM

He did ask what was going on. Cap was careful he knew what he was getting into and what the consequences were. Unfortunately, Cap was wrong about the threat.

Compare to Pym, who was just like "I'm sending you on a suicide mission. Or I can send you to prison for life. It's your call."

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61080: Jul 30th 2016 at 11:57:11 PM

Loeb Reveals Why Marvel's TV Superheroes Haven't Appeared in the Movies

Clarifying why it's been difficult to crossover the characters from Marvel's Netflix shows into the feature films, Marvel Television head Jeph Loeb explained what makes the Marvel Cinematic Universe connected, apart from cameos and guest-appearances.

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"I can tell you that part of the challenge of doing this sort of thing is that the movies are planned out years in advance of what it is that we are doing," Loeb told /Film. "Television moves at an incredible speed. The other part of the problem is that when you stop and think about it, if I’m shooting a television series and that’s going to go on over a six-month or eight-month period, how am I going to get Mike [Colter] to be able to go be in a movie? I need Mike to be in a television show."

While the properties all take place in the same universe, Loeb says it's logistically difficult to get the TV actors to appear in the films beacuse of their rigorous schedule.

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Quoting the classic Marvel phrase "It's All Connected," Loeb clarified that the properties all link by inhabiting the same world. "As I often get reported by you folks for saying #Its All Connected, our feeling is that the connection isn’t just whether or not somebody is walking into a movie or walking out of a television show," Loeb continued, "It’s connected in the way that the shows come from the same place, that they are real, that they are grounded."

Figure I'd post this. I hope that puts things on this to rest.

edited 30th Jul '16 11:59:13 PM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61081: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:54:15 AM

There is nothing new about this. It was pointed out ages ago that lining up the movies and the TV shows is difficult (though I still think that it would have been possible to stick some Agents of Shield characters in the background of the Helicarrier if they had really wanted to). The actual discussion is more if "it is all connected" is just lip service when it relates mostly to vague references.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61082: Jul 31st 2016 at 5:13:34 AM

I do think they can actually crossover AOS and the Netflix shows, though. I mean, even though the shows are filmed across the country (AOS is filmed in Los Angeles, I believe, while all the Netflix shows are filmed in New York), they can easily fly a few actors out to New York and film some scenes where Daisy meets Matt Murdock or Coulson meets Jessica Jones and it would be pretty awesome.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#61083: Jul 31st 2016 at 5:20:12 AM

[up] Yeah but the question that'll be asked is, 'Is it really worth the time and money ?'

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61084: Jul 31st 2016 at 5:21:06 AM

Fuck yes.

I want to see Daisy and Matt Murdock and/or Jessica Jones take down some fucking bad guys.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61085: Jul 31st 2016 at 7:54:41 AM

Clark Gregg just said the other day that there are issues with crossing over the TV shows. Whether it's actual logistics stuff or just someone in charge being cold on the idea, it doesn't sound like it's happening anytime soon.

edited 31st Jul '16 7:55:27 AM by comicwriter

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61086: Jul 31st 2016 at 9:47:29 AM

This is one of the unfortunate side-effects of trying to say that "everything is connected" in the same universe. The "logistics" get in the way and so, well they don't feel like they're connected really. The films and the TV shows might as well be in separate continuities for how little that they actually feel connected.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61087: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:39:08 AM

Speak for yourself. As long as Ao S is around, I do feel the connective tissue.

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#61088: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:46:46 AM

the impression i get is the TV shows make references or connect to the movies in some way, but the reverse is not true.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#61089: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:55:50 AM

Yeah, pretty much. Some of the AoS actors have spoken up about it. Mind, AoS does do a pretty good job of dropping minor connections here and there, but the fact that it's so one-sided is annoying. Sometimes it feels like a well-written fanfic, if that makes sense. You know, the author makes a lot of effort to connect it to the main universe, but the main universe is never going to reciprocate.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#61090: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:56:45 AM

'Notice me Main canon Senpai'.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61091: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:09:25 AM

The Netflix shows make reference to Agents of SHIELD, so that's fine.

Although it would be really funny if Claire Temple just randomly appeared in an episode of AOS, since that would mean she would appear in all MCU TV shows.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#61092: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:13:54 AM

[up] Not Agent Carter. Unless time travel exists to let the show gets renewed.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61093: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:16:26 AM

Agent Carter appeared in AOS, so through the Law of Transitive TV Shows, Claire Temple would appear.

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#61094: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:50:48 AM

As I understand, it's difficult for the shows to reference each other as well because I don't think the Netflix ones happen in real-time. Aren't they supposed to be right after Avengers 1?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61095: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:57:35 AM

Actually, I think they take place when they air. So Daredevil Season 1 started in April 2015 and went on from there. But time also passes for the shows, so they might end in different months.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61096: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:04:05 PM

Yeah, Daredevil Season 2 started around St. Patrick's Day 2016 (Hence the Irish mob sitting around eating corned beef and potatoes), but it ended in Winter of 2016-17.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61097: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:05:19 PM

Mind, Ao S does do a pretty good job of dropping minor connections here and there, but the fact that it's so one-sided is annoying.

I don't mind it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61098: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:07:43 PM

I don't think the movies referencing the shows would really accomplish much.

I see the shows as more like bonus content that isn't necessary to enjoy the main film universe but makes a nice supplement.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61099: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:21:14 PM

Loeb's quote in there made sense to me. He said if they do crossovers between the movies and TV shows, they want it to be something substantive and not just a cute little wink nod moment. I think as much as people ask for it, brief cameos or shout outs probably wouldn't satisfy a lot of fans.

The problem then as that anything more than a brief cameo is gonna take up time and storytelling space (as well as manpower) that the people making the movies don't want to have to deal with.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61100: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:23:02 PM

Ao S by now roughly happens when they air, the Netflix shows lag behind, though. Daredevil season 1 was released in 2015, but it was set in summer 2014, Jessica Jones was released in late 2015, but it was set in early 2015 (February most likely), and Daredevil season 2 was released in 2016, but was set in summer to Christmas 2015.


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