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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61051: Jul 30th 2016 at 6:51:34 AM

After years and years of going "Thanos is coming, y'all!!!", it would be disappointing as hell if Thanos' arc is resolved in one film.
Or Marvel realizes that splitting one movie into two has almost always been terrible.

It would be interesting, though, if they went Avengers: Infinity War and then Avengers: Disassembled.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#61052: Jul 30th 2016 at 6:54:34 AM

[up][up]Using 3D to fuck with our heads (in a good way) by showing just how bizarre and misdirecting Alien Geometries and Eldritch Locations can be to our feeble human senses.

edited 30th Jul '16 6:56:15 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61053: Jul 30th 2016 at 8:10:31 AM

[up][up][up][up]I didn't see anything saying Thanos' arc is wrapped up in one film. They said the two Avengers films are distinct standalone movies that follow the same story arc, which is something the Russos have been saying for a while.

It had been mentioned that they disliked the Part I and Part II subtitle because it gave the implication that it was one long movie spread over multiple parts, which is becoming an increasingly criticized creative decision in film.

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#61054: Jul 30th 2016 at 8:17:06 AM

Or Marvel realizes that splitting one movie into two has almost always been terrible.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2 is the #8 highest grossing film of all time.

But that doesn't really matter because it's irrelevant. Nobody's talking about splitting one movie into two. What we're talking about is having more than one movie in which Thanos is the villain.

In much the same way that The Avengers was not "Thor, Part II".

edited 30th Jul '16 8:18:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61055: Jul 30th 2016 at 8:39:05 AM

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2 is the #8 highest grossing film of all time.
Which is because Harry Potter was one the highest grossing series of all time (and it helped that the book was a huge Doorstopper). Allegiant apparently did so poorly that the studio decided the second movie was going to go straight to TV.

But that doesn't really matter because it's irrelevant. Nobody's talking about splitting one movie into two. What we're talking about is having more than one movie in which Thanos is the villain. In much the same way that The Avengers was not "Thor, Part II".
But Loki is still defeated at the end of Thor, he just isn't killed and comes back. When the Avengers do face Thanos, it will probably be such a big battle that I can't see it ending with anything other than either Thanos dying or the Avengers dying.

...which would make an interesting plot for the next film, actually. All the Avengers die in battle against Thanos and now the New Avengers have to be assembled. The movie ends with the Infinity Gauntlet resurrecting the original Avengers, although perhaps some decide to retire afterwards.

edited 30th Jul '16 8:41:49 AM by alliterator

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#61056: Jul 30th 2016 at 8:51:02 AM

Which is because Harry Potter was one the highest grossing series of all time

And the MCU isn't?

But Loki is still defeated at the end of Thor, he just isn't killed and comes back. When the Avengers do face Thanos, it will probably be such a big battle that I can't see it ending with anything other than either Thanos dying or the Avengers dying.

I can see it just fine.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61057: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:04:35 AM

And the MCU isn't?
The big movies are, but not the smaller films. Your Thors and Ant-Man and Incredible Hulk all didn't make as much money as the bigger tentpole films.

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#61058: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:07:26 AM

They still made a lot of money by other films' standards. Even the MCU's failures made the kind of money that other films aspire to for their successes. They just look like they didn't make a lot of money by comparison to all the films that keep topping the charts.

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#61059: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:14:16 AM

The Incredible Hulk was a box office failure that didn't even make its budget back.

Thor was successful enough for Marvel to soldier on with their films and make The Avengers.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61060: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:39:57 AM

It's pretty likely Thanos isn't the only villain anyway.

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#61061: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:50:35 AM

Point is, this isn't the first time I've heard the speculation about "Will this be the movie that fixes Hollywood?" and it won't be the last.

No movie will ever fix Hollywood. The only thing that's going to fix Hollywood is getting better people into decision-making positions in Hollywood.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61062: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:57:30 AM

Point is, this isn't the first time I've heard the speculation about "Will this be the movie that fixes Hollywood?" and it won't be the last.
...who the hell is speculating that?

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#61063: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:03:45 AM

...that was supposed to go in the diversity thread. Although it is about an MCU film. It was a response to suggestions that Black Panther's success will prove to Hollywood that minority-led films can make a profit and thus dispel the myth keeping minority actors back.

edited 30th Jul '16 10:03:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61064: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:09:36 AM

Oh. Doesn't the success of Tyler Perry already prove that?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#61065: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:12:04 AM

My general thought is that the best way to do Infinity War would be to end the first movie with Earth (and whatever Infinity gems are there) being saved from Thanos through enormous sacrifice.

However near the end of the movie it's revealed that Thanos hadn't taken the time to gather his full strength as he was operating on bad intel (he only knows that the Avengers imploded, not that Team Cap is only a phone call away) and under the assumption that Earth wouldn't get any advanced warning, which they got.

This means that Thanos is coming back in a few years and the Avengers will have no way to stop them, and they know it. It will then be the events of Ant-Man and The Wasp and Captain Marvel that make winning the battle to come not conclusively impossible.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#61066: Jul 30th 2016 at 10:13:43 AM

[up][up] Not exactly, for a variety of reasons.

edited 30th Jul '16 10:15:43 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61067: Jul 30th 2016 at 11:21:23 AM

I have a feeling Ant-Man and the Wasp will be largely separate from whatever is happening with Infinity War. Captain Marvel I'm not as sure on.

In general, there was a belief back when it was Part I and Part II that all films released between them would be Infinity War tie-ins, but I don't see it happening.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#61069: Jul 30th 2016 at 5:37:43 PM

[up][up] I think the main story of Ant-Man and The Wasp's main story will likely be mainly a continuation of Ant-Man. But I could easily see a situation where, in the course of the movie's events, they make some incidental discovery that gives them a tiny ray of hope when it comes to beating Thanos when he returns.

With Captain Marvel it doesn't actually matter if the plot of that movie is specifically tied to Infinity War at all as long as it chronologically falls between the two movies. Depending on how they portray her powerset, the addition of such a powerful superhero in itself would have a big impact on whether or not they can beat Thanos.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#61070: Jul 30th 2016 at 5:46:32 PM

Given Mar-Vell's ties with Thanos, they could even technically introduce Mar-Vell and Carol Danvers in Infinity War.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61071: Jul 30th 2016 at 6:01:50 PM

Ant Man and The Wasp is also one of the films that should follow up on the fallout from Civil War as well, imo.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61072: Jul 30th 2016 at 6:45:49 PM

Poor Scott. Wanted by the cops. Again.

I do expect there will be some Infinity War tie-in in the stinger. Falcon shows up and says they're getting the band back together and need Ant-Man and Wasp.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#61073: Jul 30th 2016 at 7:05:56 PM

I cannot feel too sorry for him. After all, it was HIS choice, and his motivation amounted to "Captain America is awesome."

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61074: Jul 30th 2016 at 7:56:14 PM

Motivation enough to do anything tbh.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#61075: Jul 30th 2016 at 8:08:03 PM

Scott has a habit of jumping into crazy situations on only the vaguest knowledge of what he's about to do and a promise that he's being asked to do the right thing.

He agreed to become Ant-Man in the first place before Hank had told him anything about the job he was signing on to do, and even after that he only ever had the Pyms' word that Cross was evil, same as him only having a small bit of information about evil assassins when signing on with Cap.

edited 30th Jul '16 8:08:39 PM by KnownUnknown


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