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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#61001: Jul 28th 2016 at 9:59:00 PM

[up][up]one thing I've learned from Marvel and DC is that there are worse things they can do to your favorite characters besides killing them.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#61002: Jul 28th 2016 at 10:52:53 PM

[up] Like sells their marriage to the Devil? (Yes, I'm still bitter about OMD. Sue me. I hope that stuff and everything came after to before Secret Wars never get adapted).

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#61003: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:04:42 AM

[up]dont think you have something to worry about in that regard. The most controversial story adapted has been Civil War and that was always going to turn out better than the comic due to not having Mark Millar involved.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61004: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:27:18 AM

Marvel is cherry-picking either way.

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#61005: Jul 29th 2016 at 7:04:44 AM

How many prominent New Warriors could they use for a hypothetical series? I admit to not knowing the characters very well; they all died in an explosion right around the time I started reading comics.

  • Firestar would be a very sticky legal argument over whether she's rightfully a Spider-Man, X-Men, or Marvel character.
  • Scarlet Spider is a Spider-Man character. That's not as big a deal now with the Sony deal, but there's also the issue that he's a product of the Clone Saga, a story unlikely to ever see film.
  • Nova would be fine if not for the fact that James Gunn insists on not using him. The Nova Corps as they exist in the MCU are not in a working narrative position for either Richard Rider or Sam Alexander to become a member.
  • Namorita is a Namor knock-off and would need Atlantis to be set up before she could work, unless the film's story itself was about introducing Atlantis.

It might just be easier to shoehorn Speedball and Night Thrasher into someone else's movie. <.<

They could put them in Thunderbolts.

  • Robbie: Quit calling me Speedball. After all those people died in Lagos, I'm PENANCE now!
  • Dwayne: I see no remotely possible way for you to consider that your fault.
  • Robbie: I was in the general vicinity of it!
  • Dwayne: You were in Chicago with me at the time!
  • Robbie: Watching it on the news!!!

edited 29th Jul '16 7:08:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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#61007: Jul 29th 2016 at 8:44:57 AM

With all the minor characters, Marvel can more or less tweak them as they want. Take Daisy for example. She is an Agent of Shield, has her superpowers and her father is Hyde who is a villain. But she is also an Inhuman instead of a mutant, and her relationship with Hyde is very different.

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#61008: Jul 29th 2016 at 9:06:29 AM

IIRC, she was only believed to be a mutant but that was disproven when it was revealed that her powers came from being Zabo's daughter.

When you get down to it, all they changed for the show was which parent she inherited her powers from. She's an Inhuman instead of ambiguously superhuman because they introduced an Inhuman to be her mother and linked her powers there, instead of to her father.

edited 29th Jul '16 9:06:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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#61010: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:06:40 AM

Can someone explain to me why Doctor Strange is already listed at the best episode crowner?

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#61011: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:11:27 AM

Some fool probably not affiliated with the members of this thread getting ahead of themselves, most likely.

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#61012: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:24:38 AM

@Tobias: Never stop being the best.

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#61013: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:30:26 AM

It wouldn't be an MCU related page if someone didn't completely jump the gun and treat their guessing like fact.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61014: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:31:27 AM

There was this discussion at Collider I think yesterday in which they said that Doctor Strange will most likely do Ant-man numbers. I can't be the only one who thinks that this is highly unlikely. Ant-man did well despite the silly title, the behind the scenes problems and marketing campaign which didn't really resonate all that much (well, I liked the trailers, but most people seemed to be lukewarm about them). Doctor Strange has the marvel brand, a star-studded cast, fascinating trailers with unusual imaginary which will encourage a lot of people to watch it at I-max or at least 3-D and I think that the whole mystic theme will resonate with a lot of the bigger foreign markets. Unless it gets terrible reviews, it should do way better than Ant-man.

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#61015: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:44:50 AM

Doctor Strange risks being Overshadowed by Controversy though, so it could do poorly because of that.

edited 29th Jul '16 10:44:57 AM by PhiSat

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#61016: Jul 29th 2016 at 10:45:38 AM

Cumberbatch is enough to get people to come see it in droves.

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#61017: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:00:59 AM

Looks like Mockingbird's actress has a new show, which may be why she wasn't listed as coming back this season.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61018: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:40:16 AM

Valkyrie shows off her sword.

edited 29th Jul '16 11:41:36 AM by comicwriter

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#61019: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:48:32 AM

@Tobias: Never stop being the best.

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Doctor Strange risks being Overshadowed by Controversy though, so it could do poorly because of that.

I think you're overestimating how many people are aware of and/or care about the controversy, though. There are certainly those that will feel embittered about the film and won't see it, but there are many who, although they feel like Marvel screwed up, are still going to check it out. And many more who just aren't that bothered by it.

We've been here time and time again arguing about whitewashing, arguing about oversaturation of white male leads, about obligatory Romantic Plot Tumors, and countless other issues with marginalization and discrimination, but it almost never adversely impacts a film's sales in any noticeable way. When the movie fails at the box office, it's usually because the movie's shit, not because audiences have sworn off discriminatory movies forever.

As such, I feel confident that between

  1. Being an MCU film.
  2. Being about Doctor Strange.
  3. Starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Chiwetel Ejiofor
  4. Two kickass trailers.

It's probably going to sell like crazy. Just not to that portion of the audience that's still upset over Tibet.

If that seems unfair, I feel your pain. I was in the crowd outraged that Ant-Man got a movie before Black Widow. But despite a legion of embittered feminists, that film didn't bomb either. Lots of people still saw it in theaters. Including me.

The number of people who care enough to boycott is far slimmer than the number who care enough to be upset.

edited 29th Jul '16 11:51:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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#61020: Jul 29th 2016 at 11:50:59 AM

Ant-Man was projected to be a failure due to Edgar Wright's departure and yet the movie did fine at the box office. For better or worse, Doctor Strange should be fine.

edited 29th Jul '16 11:51:06 AM by Tuckerscreator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61021: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:19:51 PM

Honestly while the racial thing is a part of it most of my disinterest in Doctor Strange has more to do with the content itself not catching my eye, and not really being a huge Cumberbatch fan (though I'm not so kooky as to claim he's a bad actor and/or terrible human being just because he's not handsome like Tumblr does). If reviews and word of mouth are good enough I may still see it, as that's what happened for me and Ant-Man.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#61022: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:27:44 PM

I predict that Doctor Strange will make a killing in the Chinese Market...Sherlock is beloved over there and the fandom has in general shown a lot of interest in this particular movie...I guess because it looks like the role will be somewhat similar to Sherlock, even though BC said that it is a very different character. Also, wizards. And hey, no pesky Tibetans in the movie. (Yeah, I know it is unfair). BTW, Asian people don't really care as much about representation in Hollywood movies. I guess simply because they have their own batch of home-made movies, so they have no shortage on representation anyway.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#61023: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:32:40 PM

And hey, no pesky Tibetans

Yikes.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#61024: Jul 29th 2016 at 12:37:10 PM

BTW, Asian people don't really care as much about representation in Hollywood movies. I guess simply because they have their own batch of home-made movies, so they have no shortage on representation anyway

Not quite. They don't get as up in arms over the lack of it, but when it is there it becomes a very potent source of Just Here for Godzilla revenue. The potential loss of ticket sales Marvel gets from racists who can't stand seeing nonwhite actors in their movies is probably way less than the boost to foreign ticket sales they'd get for having them.


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