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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60901: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:04:51 PM

Cottonmouth is a product of Luke Cage's blaxploitation roots, and is more of a quirky drug dealer archetype to foil Luke's old "unlawfully imprisoned brother out for justice" schtick than a character really designed to be a counter to Luke's powerset as a superhero.

He might be heavily altered in this series, so that he doesn't seem small and non-threatening in comparison to characters like Kilgrave, Fisk and the Hand.

edited 25th Jul '16 9:05:44 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60902: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:23:08 PM

Some promotional material seemed to imply he's some sort of shady club owner.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60903: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:22:33 AM

If he is part of some sort of criminal organisation he can pose a threat even if he might physically not be a match for Luke Cage.

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#60904: Jul 26th 2016 at 5:26:50 AM

Yeah, odds are Cottonmouth is creating or supporting a system that's having negative consequences to the average citizen and Luke is opposed to it but can't do anything direct against him becuase he's a legitimate businessman type, like Wilson Fisk before he lost his mind.

I mean, I don't think any reasonable person believes a dude in a green suit and spiky teeth is supposed to be a physical threat to Luke Cage.

Speaking of physical threats, since Cage's thing is being pretty much invincible on the surface it's always important to go over again what can actually happen to him: He can be concussed as we've seen in Jessica Jones. He most likely can be gassed and blinded, If he can be concussed then odds are with enough force all manner of stuff can be shaken up on the inside so I'm thinking bones can be broken. This means that in a perfect world he could encounter Shocker one day and Shocker could actually give him a run for his money. Won't happen, movie/TV divide and all but it'd be cool.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
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#60906: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:09:10 AM

Far as I can tell, blunt force trauma would actually be the best way to take down Luke, considering the only way to hurt him is to do damage to stuff beneath his skin. An industrial press would ruin his life.

[up]Or that.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:05:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#60907: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:40:16 AM

Shocker was the only one to even give Luke pause in Superior Foes of Spider-Man

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60908: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:43:55 AM

It does present an interesting conundrum for a TV show — how do you put your main character into danger when he's completely invulnerable?

I hope they don't just go with the "put his friends/family in danger" all the time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60909: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:54:19 AM

None of the TV show characters are invulnerable, though.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60910: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:09:45 AM

Drown him, suffocate him, torture him, subject him to And I Must Scream...

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#60911: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:15:18 AM

I'd use gas, personally - he still needs to breath, after all.

As for Bucky, what is something in the film gives T'challa what they need to cure his brainwashing for good? It wouldn't necessarily be part of the main plot, but it could be something they would use in the mid-credits stinger, maybe?

edited 26th Jul '16 7:17:30 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60912: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:20:40 AM

None of the TV show characters are invulnerable, though.
Luke Cage is certainly physically invulnerable. Shoot him, stab him, etc, nothing will happen. Well, okay, if you shoot him close enough in the right spot, you could cause a concussion, but that's about it.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60913: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:23:37 AM

They could also give Luke trouble without hurting him physically - burn down his house, set him up, things like that.

[up][up]Eh, they'll think of something. The movie will be out in a little less than two years, I'd rather prefer to actually know if Bucky's in it and preferably see it before I get into fights about his contribution and if it was okay or not.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:24:30 AM by hollygoolightly

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#60914: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:24:35 AM

Luke is very vulnerable to anything psychic, so there's that too.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60915: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:37:08 AM

They could easily work Human Popsicle Bucky into the plot as a majorly vital but ultimately static Living MacGuffin, and save his release for one of the post-credits scenes since IIRC Black Panther is the last movie before the Infinity duology kicks off.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#60916: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:01:16 AM

Find out where he lives and put arsenic in his milk.

Shoot a tear gas shell at him and as he's choking send in 10 big guys with gas masks on and sledgehammers to break his skull.

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#60917: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:03:35 AM

Luke's skin is nigh-indestructible, but his bones, muscles, and organs aren't, and his skin is still pliable enough that you can hit and damage those bits through his skin without ever breaking it.

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#60918: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:16:12 AM

Luke has unbreakable skin. That certainly means he's impervious to a wide variety of harm, but not all. As others have noted, causing blunt force trauma under his skin is certainly an option. Also an option: gas, drowning, electrocution, freezing, possibly fire. Anything that can kill you without breaking your skin.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:17:08 AM by TobiasDrake

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#60919: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:18:12 AM

[up] So basically everything but shooting and stabbing. And those two will still work if you can aim for the eyes or mouth.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60920: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:21:35 AM

Also an option: gas, drowning, electrocution, freezing, possibly fire.
I think we can rule out "fire" considering what happened in Jessica Jones when his bar blew up.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#60921: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:22:46 AM

Fire won't burn his skin but if you can trap him in the building smoke inhalation.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60922: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:25:33 AM

In the Secret War series he was also almost killed when he suffered internal injuries and the doctors couldn't operate on him because of his impervious skin.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#60923: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:28:53 AM

[up] Another good point. A soild whack to the head with a hammer and he's out.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60924: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:31:03 AM

[up][up]They did that in Jessica Jones actually, and Claire Temple, er, found a way around it. *shudders*

edited 26th Jul '16 8:32:36 AM by hollygoolightly

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60925: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:37:01 AM

Another good point. A soild whack to the head with a hammer and he's out.
Not quite. A hammer to the head wouldn't do anything, it would need to be massive trauma to a softer part of his body — like, say, a shotgun blast to his throat. Which is what happened in Jessica Jones.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:37:21 AM by alliterator


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