TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60876: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:36:20 PM

For something slightly different, having now seen pictures of Killmonger, I can't help wondering if certain aspects of his costuming will make it to the movie. Namely the skull necklace (Probably not, I know. But it is... special.). Also, Michael B. Jordan certainly isn't 6 foot 6...

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60877: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:41:10 PM

Tony killing Bucky would not only be crossing a Moral Event Horizon but also a huge amount of hypocrisy on his part, considering one could argue Bucky was to him as his arms were to Wanda and Pietro. It's not like Bucky or he had any real choice in the matter.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#60878: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:45:58 PM

How would killing Bucky have made him a fundamentally morally different person? He was trying, with all his effort, to kill Bucky; the fact that Steve was, in those circumstances, a marginally better fighter than Tony doesn't constitute a moral virtue on Tony's part. He didn't fail to kill Bucky because of any decision on his own part; he just lost. I agree that, if he'd succeeded, he'd have recognized he was wrong after he'd had a while to cool down and think, and would have felt dreadful about it.

edited 25th Jul '16 5:46:46 PM by Galadriel

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60879: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:48:23 PM

He tried but he failed. Actually doing the deed is one of those things that adds a whole other level to his crimes.

Because as of now you can just say he did something stupid in the heat of the moment and was stopped before he went too far. He kills Bucky and that's something he can't come back from. Not just for him but possibly the audience as well.

edited 25th Jul '16 5:49:03 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60880: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:50:15 PM

[up][up] We don't know if Tony would have actually delivered the killing blow or not. That still does make a difference. For a moment there I thought that Cap would actually kill Tony (which was quite a shock for me because it is Cap, damnit), but he managed to control himself in the last second.

edited 25th Jul '16 5:50:27 PM by Swanpride

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#60881: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:52:36 PM

I thought that too. I think I shouted, "Steve, no!" out loud in the theatre, even.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60882: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:53:24 PM

I think it would be crossing the Moral Event Horizon in the eyes of the audience. It would be impossible to salvage Tony as a hero from that, and I don't think that is the story they want to tell. It's not about Tony dropping off the slippery slope, it's about Tony struggling with balancing his thirst for vengeance, the issues he still has about his parents, and his strong wish to be a superhero and help people.

[up]+[up][up]I had the same feeling at that moment, and I knew going in that no one would die. But in that split second, I genuinely thought, "there goes Tony's head." It was just really well done.

edited 25th Jul '16 5:55:50 PM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60883: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:54:15 PM

An example: Floki was one of the most popular characters in Vikings...until he killed what might have been the MOST popular character. I don't think that many fans cared what happened to Floki after this. Bucky is actually very popular. There are fans all over the net having their heart melt over the fact that he only wanted to buy some plumbs, and his backpack of sadness. For some he is the favourite MCU character, even above Steve and Tony. Call it the Whoobie-Effect, but the way to ensure that a character is really hated is making him kill the Whoobie. It's like kicking the puppy or drowning some kittens.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60884: Jul 25th 2016 at 5:54:47 PM

Let me put it this way. Comics!Tony was responsible for the death of a superhero in that version of Civil War, and it was one of the reasons many comic fans hated the character. If Movie!Tony killed Bucky, the reaction would be very much the same.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60885: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:55:02 PM

I really loved that about the ending to their fight. It looks like Steve's about to take Tony's head off, and apparently Tony noticed that too with how he moves to protect his neck, but in doing so leaves his arc reactor vulnerable.

In a sense, Tony lost the fight because he overestimated how violent a person Steve was.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#60886: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:58:25 PM

Not to drag us back into DC talk, but little details like that are why Captain America is out-Supermanning Superman right now.

Seriously, it is refreshing to see a character with few inherent character flaws...and then to see how hard he has to work at it, given how flawed the rest of the world is.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#60887: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:15:49 PM

I think I have an unobtrusive way to include Bucky in Black Panther: don't have him in the actual movie at all. The mid-credit stinger can show someone getting him out of cryofreeze, whether it's because they found a way to undo the HYDRA programing, or because the facility's been compromised in some way. Maybe Ross figured out he was there and sent his goons?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60888: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:20:05 PM

I'd want him to at least have a cameo as a Bucksicle.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60889: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:25:46 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#60890: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:28:46 PM

[up][up][up][up]The part where he told 117 countries to go fuck themselves because he's certain he knows better than them like a fascist fuckhead says otherwise.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#60891: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:32:07 PM

You have got to be able to form a more rational way to give your opinions.

My various fanfics.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#60892: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:34:25 PM

[up][up]

Chill.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60893: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:37:54 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#60894: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:38:57 PM

Yeah, because the alternative where Captain America telling the UN to fuck off because only he knows what to do with his team of WMDs can somehow be construed as a rational and moral decision by anyone who's not drinking the Stupid Superhero Storytelling kool-aid, right.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60895: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:40:13 PM

"It will be seen that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else." — George Orwell.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#60897: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:54:03 PM

Ekuran, you're only succeeding at detailing this even more.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60898: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:59:07 PM

So will this version of Cottonmouth be "guy in a purple snake onesie who can unhinge his jaw holy mother of god" or "elderly leprechaun with sharp teeth", just minus the "elderly" part?

On that note, how is he ever a threat to Luke Cage? I haven't read much about him, but I can't imagine his teeth could pierce Luke's skin.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:59:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60899: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:00:23 PM

Probably the latter, considering he's played by Mahershala Ali.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#60900: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:00:36 PM

Why not? I imagine that might be why Luke actually views him as a serious threat. As far as we've seen nothing has been able to break his skin.


Total posts: 186,763
Top