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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Tony killing Bucky would not only be crossing a Moral Event Horizon but also a huge amount of hypocrisy on his part, considering one could argue Bucky was to him as his arms were to Wanda and Pietro. It's not like Bucky or he had any real choice in the matter.
How would killing Bucky have made him a fundamentally morally different person? He was trying, with all his effort, to kill Bucky; the fact that Steve was, in those circumstances, a marginally better fighter than Tony doesn't constitute a moral virtue on Tony's part. He didn't fail to kill Bucky because of any decision on his own part; he just lost. I agree that, if he'd succeeded, he'd have recognized he was wrong after he'd had a while to cool down and think, and would have felt dreadful about it.
edited 25th Jul '16 5:46:46 PM by Galadriel
He tried but he failed. Actually doing the deed is one of those things that adds a whole other level to his crimes.
Because as of now you can just say he did something stupid in the heat of the moment and was stopped before he went too far. He kills Bucky and that's something he can't come back from. Not just for him but possibly the audience as well.
edited 25th Jul '16 5:49:03 PM by comicwriter
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We don't know if Tony would have actually delivered the killing blow or not. That still does make a difference. For a moment there I thought that Cap would actually kill Tony (which was quite a shock for me because it is Cap, damnit), but he managed to control himself in the last second.
edited 25th Jul '16 5:50:27 PM by Swanpride
I think it would be crossing the Moral Event Horizon in the eyes of the audience. It would be impossible to salvage Tony as a hero from that, and I don't think that is the story they want to tell. It's not about Tony dropping off the slippery slope, it's about Tony struggling with balancing his thirst for vengeance, the issues he still has about his parents, and his strong wish to be a superhero and help people.
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I had the same feeling at that moment, and I knew going in that no one would die. But in that split second, I genuinely thought, "there goes Tony's head." It was just really well done.
edited 25th Jul '16 5:55:50 PM by hollygoolightly
An example: Floki was one of the most popular characters in Vikings...until he killed what might have been the MOST popular character. I don't think that many fans cared what happened to Floki after this. Bucky is actually very popular. There are fans all over the net having their heart melt over the fact that he only wanted to buy some plumbs, and his backpack of sadness. For some he is the favourite MCU character, even above Steve and Tony. Call it the Whoobie-Effect, but the way to ensure that a character is really hated is making him kill the Whoobie. It's like kicking the puppy or drowning some kittens.
I really loved that about the ending to their fight. It looks like Steve's about to take Tony's head off, and apparently Tony noticed that too with how he moves to protect his neck, but in doing so leaves his arc reactor vulnerable.
In a sense, Tony lost the fight because he overestimated how violent a person Steve was.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I think I have an unobtrusive way to include Bucky in Black Panther: don't have him in the actual movie at all. The mid-credit stinger can show someone getting him out of cryofreeze, whether it's because they found a way to undo the HYDRA programing, or because the facility's been compromised in some way. Maybe Ross figured out he was there and sent his goons?
"It will be seen that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else." — George Orwell.
So will this version of Cottonmouth be "guy in a purple snake onesie who can unhinge his jaw holy mother of god" or "elderly leprechaun with sharp teeth", just minus the "elderly" part?
On that note, how is he ever a threat to Luke Cage? I haven't read much about him, but I can't imagine his teeth could pierce Luke's skin.
edited 25th Jul '16 8:59:50 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

For something slightly different, having now seen pictures of Killmonger, I can't help wondering if certain aspects of his costuming will make it to the movie. Namely the skull necklace (Probably not, I know. But it is... special.). Also, Michael B. Jordan certainly isn't 6 foot 6...