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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60826: Jul 25th 2016 at 11:10:56 AM

Ya know we have a DC thread for discussing DC stuff.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60827: Jul 25th 2016 at 11:44:53 AM

I rather give Marvel credit for what they have already done - turning Black Widow into a valuable character, having with Jessica Jones and Peggy Carter two female lead TV shows, having with Ao S what I consider so far the most diverse Comic book show on TV, introducing a badass Black Panther and a very likable Falcon - than praising WB for what they might or might not do will. Especially since a Wonder Woman movie was due at least 20 years ago. It is not like they didn't do female lead Comic book movies before and they all sucked!!!!!

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#60828: Jul 25th 2016 at 11:59:16 AM

[up] Yeah. I was more impressed that they managed to turn Black Widow and Scarlet Witch - two characters that I always have problems finding them relatable, interesting or atleast well-rounded in the comics into all of the above. And Peggy Carter into an actual characters. DC has Wonder Woman and they didn't even bother to do something interesting with her as a solo character until recently.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#60829: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:16:38 PM

I rather give Marvel credit for what they have already done.....than praising WB for what they might or might not do will.

But everything I mentioned about what WB's doing diversity-wise is going to happen. The only change I can see happening is if Wan or Famuyiwa decide to bail, which at this point is unlikely.

And I'm not gonna pin the decades-long delay on a Wonder Woman movie on WB's head alone. The whole "female superheroes can't sell" bullshit is something that permeates all of Hollywood, something that they're finally doing something about.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60830: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:22:09 PM

I applaud DC/WB for slowly going for more diversity - I've seen too much of the fighting for same in comics over the last 20 years not to feel they are still going at a snail's pace - but I'm still not interested in watching their movies. I've commonly preferred Marvel's offerings when it comes to mainstream comics and now superhero movies, and despite all the issues, I don't see that changing quickly.

ETA: the opposite of what I wanted to say, grumpf. Basically, mainstream comics seem so conservative to me sometimes, I'm surprised they got this far.

edited 25th Jul '16 2:58:28 PM by hollygoolightly

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#60831: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:27:43 PM

If Justice League turns out to be really good, I'll probably go see it. I'll also probably go see Wonder Woman in a show of support of female superhero movies, unless it's...well, bad.

Other than that, my interest has been somewhat piqued, but I think I still need some convincing.

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60832: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:31:24 PM

[up][up][up] Because so far every since Warner Bros DC movie has been sexist. No exception. For all their attempts to make Lois Lane relevant, she has been a terrible written character so far and is still only there to be rescued by Superman. It looks like Wonder Woman is in good hands, since they do and say all the right things, but it is entirely possible that she will end up side-lined in her own movie, ending up playing second fiddle to Trevor. So until I have actually seen the movie, WB will get no praise from me.

edited 25th Jul '16 2:31:47 PM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60833: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:36:21 PM

Once again, surely all this DC talk belongs in the DC movie thread. We're not even comparing it with Marvel anymore, it's just a discussion of their upcoming movie slate.

edited 25th Jul '16 2:41:01 PM by comicwriter

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60834: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:01:25 PM

Hmmm... The SDCC certainly hasn't diminished my enthusiasm for the Black Panther movie. I'm even catching up on some of his comic arcs (which, admittedly, I have never read).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60835: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:03:58 PM

I was originally thinking Gurira would make a good Monica Rambeau, but having her play Okoye is also a very good pick. I wonder if she will be keeping her dreads or whether they'll be going for the Bald Women look.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60837: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:10:02 PM

I might be wrong, but isn't Black Panther the first big block buster movie with a mostly black team? I mean, we had black leads beforehand, but I can't remember one blockbuster which wasn't mostly populated by white people.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60838: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:39:38 PM

I keep wanting to say The Color Purple, but I don't know if that was a blockbuster. And that was 1985?

[up][up]So from the interview, the villains could be Killmonger and Klaw, who have a somewhat ambiguous connection in the comics (Klaw is basically the reason Killmonger's father was killed and his family exiled, but he also partly raised him? It seemed complicated). And the help from the CIA could easily be Everett Ross. Which leaves Bucky for potential superhero backup, and would thus take care of all the previously established characters who could most likely show up in the movie.

edited 25th Jul '16 3:44:06 PM by hollygoolightly

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#60839: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:47:49 PM

Any word on if T'challa's sister is in the movie?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#60840: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:48:26 PM

Sort of depends on whether by blockbuster you mean an an effects-heavy action movie, or just any movie that generates a lot of box office.

Bad Boys and Django Unchained?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60841: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:50:02 PM

[up][up]No, but right now we still only know 4 characters (and three potential ones), so that will likely change.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60843: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:07:16 PM

I meant the classical effects heavy action movie, the kind which has a good chance to end up one of the highest grossing movies of the year from the get go.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#60844: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:13:30 PM

Django Unchained doesn't have the same feel, because a white protagonist is responsible for getting the plot moving forward, and has a pretty major role.

I think Black Panther is the first big action movie where all the central characters are black; and also as the first big movie that's set in Africa with black lead characters and isn't based on a historical event. I really, really hope that it's good. The choices for director and cast are making me optimistic. (Wish they could get TNC on the writing team. :D)

edited 25th Jul '16 4:13:58 PM by Galadriel

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#60845: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:18:34 PM

[up] Jewish protagonist. Django is very much about minorities. But I guess that distinction's more for the race and representation thread.

I haven't been following as well as I could have, sorry if this has been answered already, but will Sebastian Stan be in Black Panther at all?

edited 25th Jul '16 4:21:07 PM by PhiSat

Oissu!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#60846: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:19:26 PM

Pretty sure his rights are with Fox

In that he's already shown up in an X-Men movie.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60847: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:20:40 PM

[up][up]The X-Men character?

edited 25th Jul '16 4:21:09 PM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60848: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:20:41 PM

The bigger question is for me if The Winter Soldier will play a role....

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#60849: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:21:24 PM

EDIT: I have a hard time with names.

Oissu!
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#60850: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:22:52 PM

One the one hand, the ending of Civil War makes him a pretty perfect Chekhov's Gun. On the one hand, the emotional heft of him deciding to go into hibernation again would be diminished if he popped back out the next time it was convenient.


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