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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60701: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:00:35 PM

That's gotta be a painful fit.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#60702: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:02:53 PM

So, Lupita will play a Yandere to Black Panther? Sound legit.

You can see from the trailer that Cumberbatch is trying so hard to keep up his American accent.

Man, Marvel went highbrow for these Phase 3 new franchise. Cumberbatch, Ejiofor, Mikkelson, Larson, Blanchett, Thompson, Swinton? Plus McAddams, Russell, Debicki, Zendaya, Goldblum and Urban for commercial / wide audience appeal. The star power is going through the roof.

[down] Kaecilius, Baron Mordo's henchmen in the comic.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:40:28 PM by shatterstar

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#60703: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:04:09 PM

Do we still have no clue who Mikkelson is playing in Dr Strange?

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:04:22 PM by Kostya

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60705: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:12:27 PM

So since Strange has the whitened sideburns in some scenes but not in others, I guess his training really is gonna take a very long time and the movie is starting decades before the current day.

That's good, I was hoping Strange would be an older man during the main meat of the movie rather than a young'un.

Edit: Then again, wi-fi password...

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:13:03 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#60707: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:19:22 PM

Disappointed in Larson being cast b/c she seems way too young to be playing Carol, but oh well.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#60708: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:19:50 PM

@ Larson: I'm surprise that the cry of "She's too thin." isn't spreading around like the casting of Gal Gadot as WW.

[up] They probably want to portray close to her first appearance as an Air Force captain, which would sarcastically nicknamed Captain Marvel.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:20:44 PM by shatterstar

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60709: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:29:12 PM

She's a Flying Brick with the power to use photonic blasts, whereas Wonder Woman is a close-up warrior, plus she's not a literal Amazon, hence there's less of a built-in expectation for her to be an Amazonian Beauty (not that I would, uh, mind it if she was).

thatguywhotypesstuff Since: Jul, 2011
#60710: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:36:02 PM

"Then again, wi-fi password... "

Well they're not savages you know....

i think the thing with Gadot is that when people think "Amazon" they pictured someone who looked like...I guess someone who did cross fit? I just watched a cross fit competition on ESPN and some of the women made me feel inadequate. Not that they were hulking brutes or anything, just the fact that they looked like they actually worked out.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60711: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:38:31 PM

In my mind Gadot showed me why the "she's too thin" complaints were silly. When it came down to it she rocked the part and had the right level of physicality, with even most of the critics and audiences who disliked the film saying she was the best thing about it. I'm sure with training Larson will have the physicality down too.

Merle and Michonne reunited!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60712: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:01:21 PM

Nice Evangelion horn. I wonder how it'll affect his little psychic knife thing.

Back to the Dora Milaje. In the Priest comics T'Challa had a father-daughter dynamic with them, since he was in his 40s and they were in their late teens. That's definitely going to have to change since technically Boseman is almost that old (not that he looks it), and the women they've cast for the Dora Milaje are much older than that (Gurira is about Boseman's age).

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:24:51 PM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60713: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:00:41 PM

Honestly, "she is too thin" wasn't really the issue with Wonder Woman. It was more a question of "does she have enough presence to play the character" and "can this inexperienced actress carry a movie". That some people went for "she is too thin" when they tried to figure out why they had a problem with the casting is unfortunate, but that argument was also strawmanned a lot whenever someone dared to mention any worry concerning the casting (thankfully it looks like the actress can handle it).

Either way, Brie Larson wasn't my fancasting, but she is certainly an actress who should be able to handle pretty much any role. And I certainly prefer her over some of the other choices which were thrown around, like Emily Blunt.

Did they mention who they picked as director, too?

Either way, so much news...though I would have preferred if they had kept the identity of Quill's father under wraps. I actually didn't expect a spoiler as big as that coming out of the panel. Love the new logo!!!!

I wish people would stop calling the visuals in Doctor Strange Inception-like. There is one part which is vaguely like one scene in Inception (The folding city) and believe it or not, Inception didn't even come up with the idea. This is more like the flower dance from Fantasia meets Paprika, the best of Western and Asian Animation mixed together and put into live-action. This looks gorgeous, I HAVE to see it on the big screen in the best 3 D I can find!

I was laughing so hard about the Wifi password.

Marvel is killing it this year.

edited 23rd Jul '16 10:01:05 PM by Swanpride

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#60714: Jul 23rd 2016 at 11:21:11 PM

And here I was just wondering how long it'd been since Kurt Russel did a movie.

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#60715: Jul 23rd 2016 at 11:30:33 PM

He did The Hateful Eight last year.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#60716: Jul 24th 2016 at 12:09:28 AM

And a Fast and the Furious movie before that.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#60717: Jul 24th 2016 at 3:21:37 AM

I have no issue with Brie Larson herself. My issue is with Marvel and their apparently philosophy on this issue, as well as the ridiculously blatant double-standard in Hollywood as a whole.

I'd be saying the same thing if any of the "younger" actresses had been chosen.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60718: Jul 24th 2016 at 4:47:04 AM

She'll be thirty or closer to it by the time the film comes out.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#60719: Jul 24th 2016 at 5:28:26 AM

Which doesn't change anything really. Scarlett is in her 30's now, but that doesn't change the fact that she was in her 20's when she was first cast to play BW.

Chadwick Boseman will be like 40 by the time that the FIRST BP movie comes out.

edited 24th Jul '16 5:33:01 AM by Punisher286

Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Ramen Fairy
#60720: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:17:56 AM

Won't she be in Infinity War first, though?

Peace is the only battle worth waging.
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60721: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:18:27 AM

[up][up] Actually, he'll be heading up to 42. Boseman really doesn't look his age.

[up] There was an interview where one of the Russos slipped up, and sort of confirmed that she will show up in the first one already IIRC.

edited 24th Jul '16 6:20:31 AM by hollygoolightly

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60722: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:28:27 AM

Chris Evans was still in his twenties when the first Cap movie was made. As were Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston when the first Thor movie was made. Yes, Marvel has cast more than one "older" actor for certain roles, but the issue might simply be a combination of sample size (in: There are way more male characters overall than female ones) and the fact that some of them aged while playing their role. If all male actors were cast in their thirties to forties and all female ones in their twenties to thirties, I would understand the complain, but that is not the case. (Lupita for example is 33 now, so obviously Marvel is not fixate on getting only woman in their twenties).

edited 24th Jul '16 6:28:54 AM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60723: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:33:09 AM

Really don't care about Brie's age either.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#60724: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:44:59 AM

I'd say it's more a reflection of Hollywood's skewered age dynamics in general than something that is specifically a Marvel problem. We already know that Marvel are hardly ones to push the envelope when it comes to stuff like that. See also first movie with a black lead in 2018 and first movie with a female solo lead in 2019.

(On a very simple level, money will also play a role. Larson and N'yongo are both Oscar winners, but they are still at the start of their careers taking off. Same goes for a lot of the male actors they cast, with some notable exceptions.)

edited 24th Jul '16 6:48:38 AM by hollygoolightly

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60725: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:52:09 AM

That's definitely going to have to change since technically Boseman is almost that old (not that he looks it), and the women they've cast for the Dora Milaje are much older than that (Gurira is about Boseman's age).

IIRC both Lupita and Danai's characters were explicitly underage (Ross, Martin Freeman's character, would frequently refer to them as "Jailbait" because he's an asshole) and they probably changed that due to the slightly creepy implications.

Looks like Diamond just confirmed the additional two Homecoming villains we'd heard about are Tinkerer (as rumored) and the Shocker.


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