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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60626: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:42:36 PM

Same. I think Robbie's story would've made for a great Netflix miniseries.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60627: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:47:08 PM

I'm honestly not too excited for Ghost Rider because of the budget limits, but I think this'll get Agents to a 5th season.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#60628: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:56:35 AM

I dunno, they've done some pretty impressive special effects, and the flaming skull thing is apparently easier than you'd think. I saw a minor web-video series that pulled it off without difficulty.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#60629: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:21:39 AM

I can see there reasoning for using Robbie. He's the newest one, so newer fans might be more familiar with him. Blaze was in two films and neither of them are generally considered to be all that good. Robbie is Hispanic, so more diversity in the MCU (the TV side continues to do much better in that area than the films). And he can even maybe attract some of the Fast and the Furious fans potentially.

From their perspective, it makes sense probably.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60630: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:25:07 AM

Planet Hulk armor!

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:27:05 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60631: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:33:56 AM

[up][up]I think there's also the practical aspect. His skull looks more like a helmet so it might be easier on the CGI budget than animating a bunch of facial expressions.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60632: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:54:33 AM

We tend to be more forgiving towards web shows. For a TV show, there is a little bit more needed, about all, the flaming skull needs to be expressive one way or another.

Either way, considering how unlikely it was that there would be a Ghostrider at all anytime soon, considering that both the movies and Netflix have a full schedule (a very full schedule), I really don't get why there are so many complainers. I mean, I get that sometimes one is disappointed, I too wanted Cloak and Dagger on the big screen and not on Freeform of all places, but I nevertheless look forward to getting them at all.

I also don't think that Ghostrider is really a good fit for Netflix. Somehow people have gotten in their mind that only Netflix can do grim and gritty, but for one I don't believe that this is true and two, the Ghostrider doesn't really fit into the Netflix verse. He is a less grounded characters than the others (hell, they are already struggling with the hand and Iron Fist), and he certainly doesn't belong to New York.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#60633: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:59:03 AM

I think that the idea that some people have is that the Netflix stuff should expand outside of just the "grim and gritty streetlevel" NY stuff. Kind of how like the films have gone from the (relatively) grounded Iron Man, to GOTG and Doctor Strange (big leap there).

And GR is fundamentally a "dark" character so there's that. But my personal picks for future Netflix shows are Daughters of the Dragon (since they're introducing both Misty Knight and Colleen Wing soon), Blade, and The Runaways.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#60634: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:12:13 AM

[up][up] Netflix has already introduced The hand and they're bringing in Iron fist. This would have been the perfect time to introduce the rider.

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#60635: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:12:42 AM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60636: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:13:01 AM

[up][up]Not really. Plus, the Netflix shows thrive on doing lower budget action with a more practical slant.

That's also not even getting into that Netflix might not want anymore shows at this time. 6 Marvel shows is already kind of a lot.

edited 23rd Jul '16 10:13:53 AM by comicwriter

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60639: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:23:29 AM

So now that they've confirmed the Planet Hulk aspect I am betting it will be the doing of the Grandmaster as predicted.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60640: Jul 23rd 2016 at 10:52:25 AM

Does Marvel have access to the old Spider-Man theme. It'd feel weird if we finally got Spidey back in Marvel's hands, about to do an old-school comic-esque Spidey movie, and it's the one time we don't get to hear it in a film.

I assume they still have access to the old Marvel Super Heroes themes, even if they haven't used any of them since the first Iron Man movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60641: Jul 23rd 2016 at 12:47:48 PM

So far Netflix has struggled with the Hand, which is widely considered the weakest aspect of season 2 (but will apparently be the main villain of the Defenders? Or has the hand shape in the teaser another meaning?), and according to the rumours, had a hard time with Iron Fist, too. And, yeah, let's not forget that Netflix is pretty much booked with shows. I assume that we will get Iron Fist and the Defenders next year, and they have already announced Jessica Jones season 2, The Punisher and Daredevil season 3. Even if they up the ante and do three shows per year from 2017 onward, they will still be booked until roughly 2019, and that is not taking the possibility of a second season Luke Cage and/or Iron Fist into account. And even if they do decide that yes, they want to slot someone else in, there are other options which would be a way better fit and easier to integrate than the Ghost rider. Moon knight for starters.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60642: Jul 23rd 2016 at 12:57:20 PM

I don't really believe those Iron Fist rumors since those were the same ones saying they were gonna ax the show altogether to just make Punisher instead.

edited 23rd Jul '16 12:57:30 PM by comicwriter

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#60643: Jul 23rd 2016 at 1:43:40 PM

For Agents, I'm fine with Robbie being the Ghost Rider of choice but I'd rather have the motorcycle and Zarathos than the car and Eli. Robbie's a good character but I feel like his series changed a little too much. I'd even be willing to keep the car, I just want Robbie to have Zarathos.

EDIT: Wait, Zarathos might not be the right character I'm thinking of. >.< I have trouble with his name. I'm pretty sure the demon typically bound to the Ghost Rider is Zarathos?

edited 23rd Jul '16 1:48:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60644: Jul 23rd 2016 at 1:46:41 PM

Doesn't Mr. Hyde has some sort of arc with this version of the Ghostrider? I think I read something about it at one point....

I was already wondering if they bring Mr. Hyde back at the end of last season.

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#60645: Jul 23rd 2016 at 1:48:04 PM

I think Robbie Reyes had an encounter with Mr. Hyde in the comics, yeah. I don't remember why, though.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60646: Jul 23rd 2016 at 2:32:20 PM

Why not have him use both the Car and the Bike, alternating depending on what he can get his hands on.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60647: Jul 23rd 2016 at 2:41:09 PM

Robbie's demon is a guy named Eli who turns out to be his uncle Elias Morrow, a crazy murderer and Satanist. Mr. Hyde is his main antagonist for the first half of the series, he's running a sort of drug operation with Robbie's classmates.

edited 23rd Jul '16 2:41:58 PM by AlleyOop

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#60648: Jul 23rd 2016 at 3:05:58 PM

Yeah. Eli's another attempt to fix what ain't broke. The demon Zarathos being bound to the Ghost Rider and making him a Spirit of Vengeance is a cool concept.

The last time they tried to "fix" it, they revealed that Zarathos is an angel and the Ghost Rider is actually an angel of justice. That was stupid.

Having the Spirit of Vengeance be empowered by a deranged mortal satanist is equally stupid.

Robbie's a fine character, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Zarathos as a concept. I wish Robbie could just have Zarathos.

edited 23rd Jul '16 3:06:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#60650: Jul 23rd 2016 at 3:21:53 PM

Yes, it's true. Making the Ghost Rider an angel of justice that one time was indeed a stupid decision.

Unless that wasn't what you were reacting to. tongue

edited 23rd Jul '16 3:22:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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