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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
While I liked Luke's inclusion, I don't necessarily think the show needed a major male presence outside of Kilgrave (we don't need a token Good Man to show that men can be heroic - we have pretty much every other show for that). I do, however, think that the show benefited from having a major person of color protagonist (Malcolm wasn't quite prominent enough to qualify), if for no other reason than the way it strengthened Kilgrave's white male oppression allegory.
What the show really could've used is women of color as protagonists, especially given the themes presented in the narrative. Claire's late-season cameo doesn't really cut it. But that's a problem that applies to the entire Western media industry.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."![]()
Ugh. All this talk about Claire keep reminding about how wasted she was in Daredevil and her screen time was unfairly shafted in favor of Karen, who I personally hate.
The fact that Rosario Dawson has chemistry with everyone she shares two minutes of screen time with while Deborah Ann Woll really struggles to stay relatable doesn't help either.
edited 18th Jul '16 9:00:06 PM by shatterstar
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Karen (in Season One, at least - I've not gone anywhere need Season Two). I greatly preferred Claire as a character. Honestly, I wish she'd gotten much more screentime in both Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
Fingers crossed, hopefully she'll get a better role in Luke Cage when that comes out. Which I'm pretty excited for, by the way. That's definitely the next thing on my MCU radar.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I remember reading somewhere that Rosario was only available to be in a certain number of episodes in DD season 1. She was busy on another project and so her schedule openings were limited. But IDK how true that is so don't quote me on that.
But it would make her suddenly just kind of dropping out of the season make more sense though.
edited 18th Jul '16 9:23:18 PM by Punisher286
Luke's involvement at least made sense, what with Jessica's growing feelings for him building up her guilt over killing his wife for Kilgrave.
That's more than can be said for, say, the twins, who were basically cartoon characters that existed solely to be used as plot devices.
edited 18th Jul '16 9:52:04 PM by Watchtower
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Yeeeah, I wasn't fan of the twins. The show did occasionally take a moment to humanize them and show that they were actual people just as much as everyone else was. But there weren't enough of those moments, and they were frequently inconsistent - humanizing them one moment, cracking jokes at their expense the next. Jokes that felt fairly insensitive and actually mildly offensive to me after a while.
Luke's inclusion felt perfectly appropriate for me, both for the allusion to the relationship they have in the comics and the fact that he tied in well to Jessica's character arc - and had an arc of his own. The twins, I could have ultimately done without.
edited 18th Jul '16 9:55:41 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I wonder if Jessica still went to Midtown High School way back in the day in this continuity. Granted, she's a lot older than it's other famous student this time around.
Characters in a series (hell, in a universe) like this having a kid and making it stick? Television (and movie, honeslty) status quo says "NEVER!" and drives away like a maniac in the opposite direction.
But then, Jessica Jones has so far been great with ignoring television conventions and going with what works for the characters.
There'd be no way it should happen, since she graduated years ago while Peter is still attending.
edited 18th Jul '16 10:30:59 PM by KnownUnknown
Ehh, we might. Characters like Luke, Malcolm, and Detective Clemons may be the only reason we haven't seen belligerent retaliations like, "Jessica Jones asserts that ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS. Worst show ever! Burn it and send rape threats to the people who made it! #NotAllMen" as usually happens any time people attempt to discuss the issue of rape.
As it stands, the blowback seems comprised entirely of people futilely trying to claim that rape culture isn't a thing and wasn't a major theme of the series, and that feminists are reading too much into a straightforward superhero story.
edited 19th Jul '16 6:59:50 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Luke was important to the exploration of rape if only to show that Jess (or any other rape victim) isn't instantly made into some broken blossom who cannot bear a man's touch after the act. Yes, she's been left pretty messed up in the head but she can still form relationships and enjoy sex, albeit some time after the event. And yes, they could have had A.N. Other character for the same purpose but if you have a canonical love interest (who just so happens to be getting his own show) then why not use him?
I can see Danny Rand making a few appearances in Luke's show for related reasons - Luke is involved in a black community and culture, but is also surrounded by crime and criminals - and sadly, there is a correlation there. Danny (if like his comic version) wants to try and help - but in his guise as rich, white industrialist can he truly understand how?
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."It also helps to demonstrate her self-destructive streak in a way beyond just "she drinks a lot and picks fights with people." She sympathizes with the guy, knows full-well who she killed, and she STILL starts sleeping with him while not telling him (despite it being shown repeatedly that she knows deep down that that's wrong). And she tentatively starts to maybe lay the groundwork towards telling him when she brinks up the topic of mind-control. But when Luke gives the answer that he does, she gets scared and doesn't tell him (whereas if she had, then maybe he wouldn't have been so angry with her later on).
And yeah, I did like that the show showed that rape/sexual assault victims don't always become paranoid of having sex ever again. They can still enjoy it. I know that she wasn't a rape victim, but Hellcat starting to date Nuke despite their, brutal, first meeting (after learning the context behind it) is another example of this.
O.O That is an amazing suit.
Idle thought: I don't want the MCU Spider-Man movies to do Venom. <.<;; I fear that if they do a Venom movie, it will encourage Marvel's writers to take the symbiote away from Flash Thompson and give it back to Eddie Brock so it can be a villain again. Agent Venom is one of the best things to come out of Marvel in recent history. Even the current Spaceknight series is surprisingly good, despite the kinda-stupid Klyntar plot point.
edited 19th Jul '16 12:10:53 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

Forced it in smooth
Like a greased pig down a slip n slide
Forever liveblogging the Avengers