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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60501: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:28:32 AM

Oh, so this then:

Fans really just want acknowledgement, not actual plot crossovers or tie-ins.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60502: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:33:20 AM

[up][up] Again, he doesn't have to throw down with Tony for the effects of his actions to be relevant to someone like Tony. As I've pointed out, that's hyperbolic.

Tony is a guy whose entire reason for living is stopping weapons and dangerous tech from falling into the wrong hands, being traded by the wrong hands, and from being out there in the world in general, so in particular he's a bad example for a character who shouldn't be effected by hypothetical super-tech organized crime.

he's fine where he is, as a street-level threat for street-level characters to deal with.

And also again pointing out that historically Marvel hasn't worked that way. The very characters we're talking about don't work that way. Street level isn't a corner where characters in that niche run without ever being recognized beyond that boundary.

edited 17th Jul '16 11:36:47 AM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60503: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:35:35 AM

I literally cannot tell what this argument is about. I feel like I'm reading the same two points on opposite sides.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#60504: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:36:52 AM

Just wanna point out that Spider-Man is street level. And he has been to Asgard.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60505: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:37:29 AM

NVM.

edited 17th Jul '16 11:37:43 AM by KnownUnknown

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#60506: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:46:29 AM

But but but... MCU Kingpin is not at all involved in weapons trading or any of the high end stuff the Avengers deal with. He's literally a slum lord and probably involved to a lesser or greater degree with the drug smuggling and prostitution rackets of Hell Kitchen, but that's it. And the Avengers, for better or worse, deal with international level threats, not one criminal in one part of one city.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60507: Jul 17th 2016 at 11:48:04 AM

And I agreed with you about that the last time you posted it. Fisk isn't that way currently. He's not particularly influential at all currently, even among MCU Daredevil's other antagonists.

But that doesn't mean that he or other street level characters of his type are incapable of that level of international influence. Remember that, Adaptational Wimp or not, he's still implied to be on the path to becoming The Kingpin.

edited 17th Jul '16 11:52:55 AM by KnownUnknown

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#60509: Jul 17th 2016 at 1:08:06 PM

Which is more than the comic book equivalent had, let's face it. He was basically the Enchantress' muscle/body-guard for literally 99% of his entire history and then at the very last minute underwent a morality switch and a heroic sacrifice. Technically I guess that is an arc but a very flat one.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#60510: Jul 17th 2016 at 1:10:00 PM

It wasn't much compared to his entire publishing history but Simonson had the Executioner's arc going on a fair bit before Gjallerbru and basically incorporated his flat character status into it.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#60511: Jul 17th 2016 at 1:51:51 PM

That's pretty much as I thought. Urban's a good choice for the role I think, and it will be nice to have a decent Thor villain who isn't Loki (who is rapidly outstaying his welcome for me.)

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60512: Jul 17th 2016 at 2:01:31 PM

My guess is his Heroic Sacrifice makes it into the movie.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60513: Jul 17th 2016 at 2:24:47 PM

I think they'll protray him as a Noble Demon Anti-Villain with doubts for who he's fighting for, and in the end he switches sides and makes his gallant Last Stand.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60514: Jul 17th 2016 at 2:26:47 PM

In short, he'll be what Kurse should've been.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60515: Jul 17th 2016 at 3:04:43 PM

I hope he goes on for a bit longer than one movie.

Even if it's done well, will his last stand mean anything if he dies in the same movie he appeared in?

One Strip! One Strip!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#60516: Jul 17th 2016 at 3:53:08 PM

I mean, a lot of movies manage to pull off well executed deaths without needing to be part of a shared universe.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60519: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:38:59 PM

September 30, huh?

When does JJ Season 2 come out again?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#60521: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:40:17 PM

Damn that poster looks awesome.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#60522: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:50:13 PM

Do we know for sure whether Iron Fist is going to be appearing in this at all? They are a pretty iconic pairing but they might want to focus on Luke himself first time around and leave Danny to his own show.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60523: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:51:52 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up, just like Luke showed up in JJ, but I wouldn't count on them delving into his origins or supernaturality much yet if he does.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#60524: Jul 18th 2016 at 3:56:13 PM

I don't think the timeline works for Danny Rand showing up in Luke Cage. From what I can gather, Iron Fist opens with Danny Rand arriving in New York City from Kun Lun.

The other way around would work. Or they might just have them meet during the Defenders and have them show up in each others shows in any hypothetical second seasons. No need to force a crossover before the story calls for it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60525: Jul 18th 2016 at 6:45:49 PM

They forced Luke into being a major character in Jessica Jones.


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