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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Criminal act or not, deliberately interfering with the brain of a man who turns into a giant green smashing machine when stressed is an incredibly stupid thing to do.
But to be honest, ALL of the Avengers could be tarred with a similar brush: Tony invented weapons that still kill people even today, Natasha did some really shady shit prior to her turn (Hawkeye was originally sent to kill her), Thor's fight with his brother lead almost directly to the destruction of a small town and a considerable fraction of New York, there's everything Cap did in Civil War... really the only one without anything (that we know of) that's not at least grey is Vision and perhaps Hawkeye, though in saying that, he was sent to kill Natasha. That's not a job you give to an amateur...
Basically, ALL the Avengers could do with accounting for the consequences of their acts. Not just Wanda. Not put to trial but at least acknowledge that 'We're superheroes!' is not a get out of jail free card.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."We are talking about Wanda using her powers for malicious intent not what most people believe in. Most probably didn't believe in Loki but he was still held by SHIELD for his crimes and there is documented proof of the existence of Wanda's powers.
I don't see why you;re trying so hard to act like what Wanda did wasn't wrong.
Not all of SHIELD was Hydra and even then at least with Natasha there was an attempt to use legal channels.
edited 6th Jul '16 2:33:25 PM by windleopard
Jessica Jones had the implication that once they proved within reason that Kilgrave had powers and may have used them on Hope that it would be acceptable, if unprecedented, to use that as a defense for Hope and/or to charge Kilgrave in those grounds.
Or in short, that it would have been illegal (or at least, they would've established precedent) once they got the judge/jury to accept it.
The issue wasn't that using psychic powers to mind control wasn't a valid crime, it was that it was a crime nobody had ever experienced before and it's effectively impossible to even prove it exists. They had to go to extreme lengths to prove that he even had them, and even after that there was the issue of proving that Hope actually did do what she did because he forced her rather than on her own - which they never actually got to.
It's worth noting that, even if Kilgrave wasn't charged, if Jessica and co had managed to bring him into he light he probably would've gotten SHIELD/HYDRA's attention since at that point they had (classified) experience about how easy mind control is possible - they believed it, and what they believe matters. If the HYDRA leadership didn't try to control him, SHIELD would've tried to bring him in.
edited 6th Jul '16 3:06:17 PM by KnownUnknown
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Good point. Alright. Launch them both into space. Banner on a Space ship, and make it so that the space ship hits Wanda on the way out.
Problem solved.
One Strip! One Strip!Seriously, it is a ridiculous strawman you are clinging to that "Using her powers isn't illegal." No one's saying it is. But using her powers in that specific way is.
Shooting lasers out of your eyes isn't illegal either. But if you used laser eyes to burn people to death, you would be tried for murder. It doesn't matter what implements you use to commit a crime, it's still a crime.
Did you know there are no laws against using an M16A2 assault rifle to kill someone? There doesn't need to be. Because the act of killing someone is already a crime, regardless of the tool used to commit that crime.
It's the same situation here. There does not have to be laws against using psychic powers to involuntarily intoxicate others and coerce them to commit crimes. Involuntary intoxication and using coercion to commit crimes are already crimes, with or without the psychic powers.
The use of superpowers in criminal activity does not make that activity cease to be a crime. If it did, no supervillain could ever spend a day in jail.
edited 6th Jul '16 3:20:44 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.To use your example:
- If Wanda used her psychic powers to kill someone, she would definitely go to jail. Because murder is illegal.
- But if Wanda used her powers to cause hallucinations in someone, what would happen? Is "causing hallucinations" illegal? It wouldn't be "involuntary intoxication" becuase, get this, they aren't intoxicated. So, again, what's illegal?
It just happened to turn out that Hulk's dream turned into a rampage. She wasn't controlling him, though. Did she cause the rampage? Or was the rampage simply because he was the Hulk? Again, none of the other Avengers became violent.
edited 6th Jul '16 3:35:53 PM by alliterator
And, again, can you prove Wanda even did anything to the Hulk to make him rampage? We know as the audience that she's responsible for that, but do her powers leave any evidence of their use on him? As far as they know in-universe, it was just the Hulk being the Hulk.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Yeah, I know all about that.
But you see, that's why you have the ship hit Wanda. That'll placate him long enough for things to not go bad.
Everybody (except Tony, Bucky and the people of Wakanda, South Africa....and eventually all of Earth once Thanos roflstomps their faces in) is happy.
....So really, nobody is happy.
Fine. Fuck them all anyway.
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Intoxication is a state in which ones ability to reason and act with appropriate caution is impaired. It is strongly associated with but not solely connected to being drunk: from what I can tell being drugged or - most relevant in this case - affected by an outside influence something that impairs as if one were drugged would easily count under a competent judge. Frankly, it wouldn't take much finagling for a judge to declare Wanda's powers a form of drug or poison anyway.
Forced someone to undergo hallucinations or introducing an outside influence cause one to lose control of your emotions, especially, is not something one would go free for simply because there Ain't No Rule for the exact method of doing it. Especially if it results in injury, property damage or death.
If anyone died, Wanda's at least guilty of manslaughter, while Bruce has a decent defense.
edited 6th Jul '16 6:07:46 PM by KnownUnknown
So how come when I write this interesting theory
, only one person says something, but as soon as it gets back to who did what, who's guilty, and why this person is awful, we suddenly get multiple pages?
All of you should only talk about the topics I think are relevant!
One Strip! One Strip!The Doctor Strange prequel came out today
and apparently has two characters possibly foreshadowing future MCU heroes: Brother Voodoo's older brother and Nico Minoru's mom.
They also note that the Eye of Agamotto is described in ways very similar to Loki's Scepter.
edited 6th Jul '16 7:24:58 PM by comicwriter

Yes it is. I'm pretty sure tampering with someone's mental state is illegal. Why do you think Kilgrave was a villain.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:57:18 PM by windleopard