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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
To which, the prosecution would ask, "what was the purpose and nature of these dreams and what did my client think would happen when she used them on someone of Bruce Banner's mental state?"
All those other people weren't rage powered monsters. And as mentioned before, Banner never came into the conflict until the twins brought him into it. The twins make a pretty big deal of trying to fuck over the Avengers anyway they can.
Irrelevant. He was still destroying stuff.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:13:39 PM by windleopard
Also, it is inaccurate to say everyone went catatonic. The first person she used her powers on was Tony Stark and he, under her influence, built a murderbot. The precedent was already established that different people react differently.
Even if it wasn't, it was still her drugs. Best case scenario, you establish enough reasonable doubt that she didn't know what would happen, and her counts of murder get kicked down to manslaughter. Still a crime.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:16:41 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub."I would like to see Hulk run into Wanda, I doubt he'd be happy about it outside of an instant end of the world situation. "
Actually,Iater in the movie when Cap enter to Stop Tony from creating V Iison, Banner grab Wanda and said "come on, see in head how angry im " is quite a shock because is BANNER the one who is pissed, that show you how much he think of the situation.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Sure and they could probably get off on the Ultron charges, but it sets a precedent that Wanda's powers have unpredictable results. At a minimume she assulted Bruce Banner and forcefully altered his mental state to a dangerous level.
There's an argument for saying that Bruce Banner didn't walk into the city, the Hulk did, whoever induces the Hulk is responsible for his actions, that means Wanda in South Africa, Banner in New York and Harlem, the Avengers in other situations and so on.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI don't even see why Wanda would be held accountable for Ultron. Tony and Bruce were already in the process of making Ultron. Tony was already intending on using the scepter to make Ultron. All Wanda did was freak Tony out with a vision where everyone was dying and Chris Evans somehow turned into a bad actor for a few seconds.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Also, there's a point to be made that, "The Hulk automatically means indiscriminate destruction and rampage" hasn't been true since the Battle for New York - where he proved in front of multiple eyewitnesses that he has control over his transformation - so there's that as well. The Hulk may be a Person of Mass Destruction, but he's been a well-targeted one for a while now. The South African rampage is uncharacteristic behavior for him, which would not look good for any defense predicated on the idea that Wanda just triggered the change and everything else was all Banner.
The only other time Banner's lashed out like this since he spent years mastering the Hulk, he was under the influence of Loki's scepter - a mind-altering substance.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:34:05 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I mean, I'm largely sympathetic to Wanda and even I'm not really happy about what she did in South Africa.
No, he lashed out because he was deliberately trying to keep from hulking out in the middle of an attack. That's the point of him being able to control the transformation: if it's unwilling, the Hulk is a mindless rampaging beast, but if it's willing, he has more control over the Hulk.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:35:43 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I don't know how you could prove in a court of law that Hulk trashed Johannesburg because a crazy psychic lady tampered with his mind to make him break shit. The only "evidence" would be Banner's testimony, and that's not evidence any more than "The devil made me do it!" is evidence in more mundane trials.
It's like Kilgrave all over again. Or, well, Kilgrave is Wanda all over again, since Age of Ultron came out first, but you get what I mean.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Because unlike Kilgrave, the crazy psychic lady's powers and involvement in high-profile combat zones have been thoroughly documented. There is no question to be had over whether or not Wanda Maximoff exists and can do a variety of weird shit with her powers, up to and including f*cking with people's minds.
Like, Maria Hill actually has paperwork on her. Files from the people who created her abilities and tested their limitations. Very official.
EDIT: Also, the biggest flaw in the "Well, you can't prove it, so we can abuse the law like true heroes," argument: it assumes Wanda would fight the charges. I propose that Wanda's trial would not be about whether or not she did it. It would be about whether or not her service to the Avengers warrants special consideration in her sentencing.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:54:19 PM by TobiasDrake
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Oh, they've been documented for sure, which would probably absolve the Hulk on ground of reasonable doubt, but I don't think you could solidly convict Wanda herself just because Banner said so.
The question is if Wanda would fight the charges or not. I can see her being guilty enough to want to make up for her past but not enough to be willing to go to jail for it.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:01:52 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It occurs that Wanda joined the team shortly before the Hulk left it.
The Avengers replaced custody of one person that probably should be in jail with another.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI am really tired of this. Wanda wouldn't be tried by the laws of the US, because she isn't an US citizen, for starters. And she would hardly be the first person who was fighting on the opposite side of a war but get free for the action taken in said war, because of useful talents. We have done this multiple times in our history and it has happened multiple times in the MCU. Natasha is one example of that, and you could argue that Tony is too, considering that his damned company was delivering weapons to the enemies of the state. Wanda is hardly Grant Ward, so I have zero issues with her getting a second chance doing community service, so to speak.
Again: what is wrong is different from what you can prove in a court of law.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:12:42 PM by alliterator
Sure but when people who fought on the opposite side of a war are let off we generally have some paperwork involved, there's a procedure.
Should Wanda probably be pardoned? Yeah she should, but she should have to recive a pardon, not just get away without facing a trial.
Also we don't exactly look kindly upon the government's in the past that let war criminals go free.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThis at best makes her guilty of reckless endangerment. One could also argue that she didn't need to go after Banner as the other Avengers were already shut down. The twins could have left while they were still occupied.
It isn't the psychic powers that are illegal, it's what Wanda does with them. And as Tobias Drake stated, there is documented evidence of what she can do.
Not even close. In Wanda's case the weapons used (her powers) were wielded by her.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:22:37 PM by windleopard

Alcohol isn't illegal in the United States, but tricking someone into getting blackout drunk and then making them commit a crime still puts the culpability for the crime on you instead of them.
The law is not stupid. It's flexible, and this is precisely why. You can't trick it out of justice by making stubborn appeals that, say, there's no law against shooting people with this specific model of gun. Just because the mind-altering substance Wanda used has not been criminalized does not mean that Bruce was not involuntarily intoxicated under the influence of a mind-altering substance.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:11:35 PM by TobiasDrake
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