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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#60126: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:01:06 PM

Hope they change the outfit shown in the stinger

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60127: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:01:19 PM

Considering the current gender imbalance, I think a lot of people would like the idea of a second Wasp.

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ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#60129: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:03:38 PM

They could go for a role reversal and have Janet go by the name "Red Queen".

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60130: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:38:24 PM

So are there any villains who have lasted beyond their movie in the MCU?

I'm reading Dark Reign right now and kinda wish something similar could happen in the movies. It probably never will but it made me think about if any MCU villains would even be around to form their own Avengers.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#60132: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:40:39 PM

Loki, Zemo, Abomination, Red Skull(?), Zola(?), Samuel Sterns(?)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60133: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:53:22 PM

Loki and Zola are the ones we know lasted beyond their movie, with Loki lasting three movies so far (with a fourth on the way) and Zola lasting two movies. We're expecting Zemo to last, too, since he didn't die at the end of the movie.

Even though the Abomination and the Leader both were alive at the end of Incredible Hulk, they haven't shown up again (which makes sense as they are Hulk villains and we haven't had a Hulk movie).

edited 5th Jul '16 5:54:06 PM by alliterator

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#60134: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:57:47 PM

I can't wait for One More Day to happen in the MCU except reality is changed as a result and then all the MCU actors get re-cast as a result.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60135: Jul 5th 2016 at 7:40:57 PM

Red Queen Janet would be pretty cool. Especially with the MCU's recent push for more female villains she would make a good choice. Plus a film with an A-plot centered around trying to get the Big Bad to Heel–Face Turn and survive would make for an interesting story.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#60136: Jul 5th 2016 at 7:49:43 PM

Batroc! Well, for a given value of "his movie," anyway. But, he was in it, and he didn't die. Also, Nebula survived as well, though she hasn't shown up yet. But she's too major a character to not return.

I'm kind of hoping Ronan survived getting fried by the Infinity Stone at point blank range, because he's my favorite villain so far.

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#60137: Jul 5th 2016 at 7:51:08 PM

I'm pretty sure Nebula is gonna be forced to team up with the Guardians of the Galaxy for whatever reasons.

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ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#60138: Jul 5th 2016 at 8:06:16 PM

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Was just talking about using the codename.

edited 5th Jul '16 8:31:39 PM by ManOfSin

DrWillHatch63 Since: May, 2014
#60139: Jul 5th 2016 at 8:58:19 PM

While I can understand why Marvel would want to shy away from Hank Pym's domestic abuse, I think that Pym's darker side was portrayed pretty well by Douglas in the movie. I hope that in the sequel or in another MCU movie, his Bipolar Disorder and his erratic mental state in general is lampshaded, because I think that overall, Pym is a pretty good poster boy for coping with being Bipolar(Other than the slapping incident, but he's overcome even that I think, he's MORE than made up for it by this point).

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#60140: Jul 5th 2016 at 9:04:51 PM

Hank is FAR more interesting as a character when he has mental issues.

DrWillHatch63 Since: May, 2014
#60141: Jul 5th 2016 at 9:15:14 PM

Yep, totally. That to me is his main appeal. Shit, the movie even brings up how Pym Particles fucked up Darren Cross. Maybe they fucked up Pym's mental state too despite his suit, albeit to a lesser extent.

I didn't write this, but 100% agree with it: http://onihcinimkcin.tumblr.com/post/96084661046/scaredystark-its-hard-for-me-to-get-on-the

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60142: Jul 5th 2016 at 9:41:21 PM

Getting tired of the myths that Tumblr continues to keep circulating that Hank willfully "abused" his wife when it was a one-time accident resulting from a miscommuncication between the writer and artist, and that Ant-Man "stole" representation when it was in the works before even the first Iron Man, plus was never in a state to be abruptly canceled in favor of a more representative movie.

DrWillHatch63 Since: May, 2014
#60143: Jul 5th 2016 at 10:00:30 PM

I'm definitely not going to defend abuse on any level, but I'm a big believer in redemption and in forgiveness. Pym has shown ever since that slapping incident that he was completely out of his mind when he did it and is remorseful for doing it and has tried to make amends for it. If people can't accept that, that's on them. Plus, his instability completely explains why Ultron turned out to be batshit insane, since his personality is based on Pym's, just without the empathy.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#60144: Jul 5th 2016 at 10:06:03 PM

That is more fault of Marvel who sometimes reduce him to "Pym Hand" and I agree that they portray his darker side very well.

on the other hand I still complain that Darren could be a good villian should he have more focus instead of Scott, ughhhhhh

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#60145: Jul 5th 2016 at 10:09:26 PM

They're probably conflating the Ultimate Hank how was Not Great. Or Chuck Austen who tried to push a narrative during his run on Avengers that the abuse was a sustained thing.

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#60146: Jul 6th 2016 at 4:32:35 AM

From what I remember Ultimate Pym was a asshole, while can sadly apply to a lot of characters from that universe.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#60147: Jul 6th 2016 at 6:57:23 AM

Ultimate Hank was actually abusive if I recall so it's an easy mistake to make.

Shame the Ultimate Universe was pretty big-ish for a while considering how much awful was in it, sans Ultimate Spider-man.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60148: Jul 6th 2016 at 7:44:30 AM

He was very abusive, though he did apparently die sacrificing himself to save everyone....and was still treated like shit.

He probably deserved it. I don't know if he was genuinely trying to fix himself the way mainstream Pym was or not, but I'm not surprised it didn't take.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#60149: Jul 6th 2016 at 7:53:10 AM

Wasn't the Ultimate Marvel stuff needlessly dark in almost everything?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60150: Jul 6th 2016 at 7:53:30 AM

Funny thing is that mainstream Peter Parker hit his wife, and everyone just wants to pretend it didn't happen. Worst she was pregnant at the time.


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