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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60051: Jun 29th 2016 at 4:08:10 AM

He's something of a glass cannon in that he can deliver more damage than Spider-Man but he's less durable. Him being just as, if not more, intelligent as Peter makes things more dangerous.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#60052: Jun 29th 2016 at 5:46:09 AM

Anyway I hope there is a scene where the villain has a direct fight with Spiderman.

If the Vulture is just a normal human, then Spiderman must beating him with easily, equal than with Falcon. (Falcon Technically won, but that's another topic)

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#60053: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:42:51 AM

As others noted, Spider-Man is physically stronger than either Bucky or Cap. Cap had quite a bit of trouble with him until he changed up his tactics to accommodate Spidey's superior physical ability.

Bucky never had the chance to do that. He has more experience than Cap in the world of professional espionage against mundane targets, but less experience in super-fights. Bucky's kind of a powerhouse character. He's used to dominating close-quarter brawls with the advantage of his robot arm and relies on it extensively. When Spidey not only stopped the robot arm but proceeded to grapple it out of Bucky's control, that was it. Bucky had nothing else to go on.

We see the same thing when Bucky and Cap fight Stark. Once Bucky's arm is blown off, that's it. He's done. Absent a firearm he can fall back on, he's out of the fight and the most he offers to the rest of it is a temporary distraction.

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#60054: Jun 29th 2016 at 11:13:09 AM

To be fair, you could say that for a lot of people. Once one of their arms get blown off, they're suddenly far less effective.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#60055: Jun 29th 2016 at 1:56:46 PM

Bucky does seem pretty reliant on the arm though - if he tried the shield catch from Winter Soldier with his mundane arm he probably would have undergone some impromptu dentistry. I would say Cap is probably overall stronger but if it came to arm wrestling then metal arms wins it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60056: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:27:34 PM

I have the feeling that Bucky is even with one arm still a damn good sniper.

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#60057: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:31:10 PM

He's like a fiddler crab.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60058: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:34:35 PM

Spider-Man's Rogues Gallery is full of characters who aren't necessarily stronger than Spidey, but have interesting abilities that allow them to counter him in unique ways. Very few of his battles are settled by straightforward fistfights and proverbial arm wrestles where the strongest person wins.

I think they need to not fall into the trap of feeling they have to make his enemies as strong as possible for the sake of a big fistfight, which tends to backfire - either by turning interesting opponents boring power-wise like what happened with Whiplash (who gets a lot ofbflak for being just another guy in a bulky suit despite a promising start) or by forcing them in limited directions plotwise like what happened when Amazing 2 overbuffed Electro.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60059: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:37:55 PM

Thing is Electro has always been portrayed as a guy who's extremely powerful but lacks the intelligence and self confidence to use his powers to their full extent.

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#60060: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:57:39 PM

I still want Mysterio. tongue

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#60061: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:08:15 PM

Yes, he would definitely be fun to have.

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#60062: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:09:27 PM

Mysterio would be a great movie villain for obvious reasons

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60063: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:13:46 PM

Hopefully they can get Bruce Campbell on board this time.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#60064: Jun 29th 2016 at 4:42:26 PM

Spider-Man: Homecoming adds Tyne Daly to the cast.

...You know, I can actually see her playing a really good genderflipped J Jonah Jameson. Probably not, but she would fit really well in that role.

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#60066: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:13:10 AM

Probably no more than any other movie but they seem to be announcing each and every one as it comes whereas most movies tend to make it more about the headline acts - oh, and these other guys are also in it. If I were super cynical I would suggest it's so it's clear to everyone what a diverse cast they've got.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60068: Jun 30th 2016 at 4:42:19 PM

Thing is Electro has always been portrayed as a guy who's extremely powerful but lacks the intelligence and self confidence to use his powers to their full extent.

In a lot of action movies, especially superhero movies, there's a point I like to call the Power Event Horizon, in which a villain's power level becomes so much greater than the hero and the world around them as a whole that their plotline potential actually decreases and - among other things - they must die in the end (and stay dead) because there's no adequate way to deal with them.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 had the problem of introducing Electro as quite powerful and a match for Spidey already, and then wildly and repeatedly jacking up his power level for the rest of the move (mostly offscreen, without giving the heroes a chance to even experience that power) until not only can Spider-Man not face him without having to rely on one of those indirect last-ditch plot-driven hero schemes, but he can't really interact with the rest of the cast in as many ways as he might have been able to before. Which is even more of a problem given his characterization practically relied on interaction to work.

edited 30th Jun '16 4:44:17 PM by KnownUnknown

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#60070: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:40:44 PM

The movie was a mess but I still like the itsy bitsy spider bit

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#60071: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:01:39 PM

RE: Spider-Man: Homecoming casting: Anyone else seem to notice that aside from TH, MT, RDJ, and Zendaya, they're not specifying which actor is playing what character? I wonder if they're saving that for SDCC or whatever...

Also, is Ghost Rider coming to AOS after all? Albeit not as Johnny Blaze?

edited 30th Jun '16 8:20:29 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#60072: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:07:15 PM

Robbie Reyes?

Fuck yes!

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#60073: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:32:20 PM

I hope this doesn't kill the potential of him having a series of his own on Netflix. ANGR would've been a perfect fit for Netflix with its discussion of topical issues such as urban violence, poverty, drugs, Parental Abandonment, and disability. Would be a waste if he shows up on AOS and none of these get explored in proper detail. Plus as a Hispanic lead main character he'd be really good for representation.

edited 30th Jun '16 9:02:25 PM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#60074: Jul 1st 2016 at 1:34:26 AM

It's a little bit early to show all their cards. I doubt that they will make any big official announcement concerning Spider-man: Homecoming before next year, SDCC will be all about Doctor Strange, Luke Cage, Got G Vol 2 and Agents of Shield for sure. Also, I am ready to bet that most actors are cast for pretty minor roles. If they want to focus on Spider-man in school, he needs a lot of classmates and teacher after all. And because they already have to do a complete world-building in this regard, I also doubt that they will do anything related to the Daily Bugle aside from showing that yes, the newspaper exists in the MCU.

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