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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Mousa, was it this one
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Oops, I missed a page of two.
edited 23rd Jun '16 9:52:55 AM by yellowturtle
Crow: There's a plot?Bookeem Woodbine
from Fargo will be playing a third villain in Homecoming.
I'm guessing most of the people in this movie are either glorified extras or Early Bird Cameos since they know they have two more movies all but guaranteed. Hopefully this is a film that can stand on its own and not feel like a giant ad for more.
It would be hilarious if after all this speculation, most of these actors turn out to be playing Canon Foreigners.
Okay, so there are a few solid gags making fun of the BvS twist. Good. I'm proud of you, Internet. Like a belligerent, geriatric grandpa, your obsession with weird porn is rivalled only by your uncomfortable opinions on women and minorities, but you always seem to have my back when I need a good joke.
The Russos handled multiple villains fine. By contrast, Thor The Dark World couldn't even manage two villains without gutting one for the sake of the other. Dare Devil fell apart the moment it introduced the other bad guy in season 2. And then there's Iron Man 2, which...well, it's Iron Man 2.
edited 24th Jun '16 9:49:58 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Guardians of the Galaxy had. Uh. Three and three quarter villains?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWait, I was wrong. Dark World had three villains. I forgot Kurse. Everyone forgets Kurse. That's actually fine, Kurse had exactly as much role as the film needed him to have, just like Batroc.
But they still gutted Malekith for the sake of Loki.
Guardians had....
- Ronan the Accuser
- Korath the Pursuer
- The Collector
- Nebula
- Thanos (kinda)
and they did a fair job of balancing them.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.He wasn't in the film but he's usually a villain in the comics. A typical Collector plot involves the Collector trying to steal an important MacGuffin and the heroes have to fight him to keep it out of his hands.
Much like Winter Soldier's balancing of five villains, the Collector's role in Guardians aptly demonstrates how using a villain character doesn't mean they have to be the villain. That's the problem a lot of movies run into with balancing multiple villains: they want each one to be the villain. Which means multiple narrative threads that each villain can be the villain of.
The same goes for Yondu, who is usually a hero character in the comics. Guardians got a lot of mileage out of him as a minor antagonist who undergoes an Enemy Mine for the sake of the climax.
edited 24th Jun '16 10:06:35 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Hell, right now, the Prowler is moonlighting as Spider-Man. He reinforces the "Spider-Man is Tony Stark's—I mean, Peter Parker's bodyguard" thing by wearing the costume and being seen with Peter.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Age of Ultron also had multiple villains. Four (five if you could Klaue), though two of them switched sides towards the end.
In the case of the Prowler, it wouldn't be the first time the MCU has adapted a "was once a villain but became a hero through Character Development" as a straightforward villain without much nuance. See again: Kurse.
And as for Dark World, I've always been dubious about the idea that Malekith would've immediately worked better if Loki had had less screentime. Even given that we know he had deleted scenes attributed to him, the story blatantly uses him as more of a plot-device to get balls rolling than a villain - it's this, rather than not having a lot of time, that its the big problem with him as an antagonist, and ultimately that's because when everything is said and done the story isn't about him: it's about Thor's relationships with his brother, his love interests, etc, with Malekith just being around to force him to interact with them. The only thing that would make that go away is a plot rewrite.
Even if Loki had gotten less time, Malekith (and the plot as a whole) would've either needed to be completely redesigned in order to be the villain everyone seems to think he would have been or the writers would've needed to have modified their approach to portraying him as he was (Guardians did a lot better job using a very similar villain, and in that case it was an issue of tone) - otherwise, being given more scenes could've easily been detrimental to his role in the plot rather than constructive.
In general, Loki is another source of misblaming in the MCU. But the Thor series is full of those easy scapegoats anyway.
It'd be cool if we got Spidey taking on the Enforcers in a scene like the truck chase in Amazing 2 - not plot important, but setting establishment via a classic Spidey action scene, showing Spider-Man taking on a normal day taking on criminals.
In contrast, Daredevil season 1 had five overarching villains - counting the Russian brothers as one "villain" - plus The Dragon and various minions, and did just fine. The first season had the problem of not balancing what Matt was doing well with what the other characters were doing (something that continued into the next season), but that's not the fault of the number of villains.
And with the Hand that seems like a bad oversimplification. The issues inherent with them were far more numerous and problematic than simply existing as a second villain on top of another one already in use.
edited 24th Jun '16 10:43:51 AM by KnownUnknown

Even Natasha calls him "Bucky" when she's talking to Cap. He seems to only be referred to as "James" in really serious and/or ominous moments.