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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#59776: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:14:29 AM

Where does the rights to Firestar belong?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59777: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:15:24 AM

There are currently jokes circulating over the web that the third night Nurse Linda Evans has the same name as the one who played Wonder Woman...this drives me nuts! Honestly, does nobody fact check anymore? The actress who played Wonder Woman was Lynda Carter (and yes, I wrote the first name correctly). Linda Evans is the actress from Dynasty. They are not even remotely the same person.
"Linda Evans" was not the name of the third Night Nurse. The name of the Night Nurses were Georgia Jenkins, Christine Palmer, and Linda Carter. Hence, why people think they chose "Christine Palmer" over "Linda Carter," because Lynda Carter played Wonder Woman.

In fact, Linda Carter became the Night Nurse who was in Doctor Strange: The Oath and became Strange's love interest for a little bit.

Claire Temple, on the other hand, had no connection to the Night Nurses. She was, in fact, a doctor who was one of Luke Cage's early love interests.

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#59778: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:24:10 AM

So Claire Temple is not actually a Night Nurse in the comics, people just wanted her to be because she''s filling a similar role in the Netflix shows. Got it.

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59779: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:26:55 AM

[up][up], [up] To be fair to the movies, the show didn't even call Temple a Night Nurse either, so she could just be Claire Temple that was brought to Daredevil. In the comics, she appeared in exactly one issue with Daredevil and that's it.

[down] Yeah, she's mine too. I wish they had ditched Karen and keeps Dawson on the payroll. She got such good chemistry with Charlie Cox.

Edit: Also, does Marvel writers keep track with their characters name? Night Nurse has the same last name as Cap's GF Sharon Carter and no one bothers to change / lampshade it?

edited 22nd Jun '16 7:31:08 AM by shatterstar

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59780: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:27:55 AM

[up][up][up] Ah, thanks for clearing that up. This makes WAY more sense. (So now I wonder why they confuse Evans with Carter....)

Whatever Claire is or isn't, above all she is awesome. She is my favourite Daredevil character.

edited 22nd Jun '16 7:28:32 AM by Swanpride

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#59781: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:31:27 AM

To be fair, it's really easy to think that Claire Temple is the Night Nurse. The Night Nurse's whole gimmick is "medical professional who helps vigilantes in secret", and that's basically what Claire has done so far.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59782: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:45:13 AM

[up]The creators also heavily teased that she was Night Nurse early on. I believe when they unveiled the character they cryptically phrased it as "A nurse who operates at night..."

She's a Composite Character. You could be forgiven for assuming she's Night Nurse just with Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames in effect.

edited 22nd Jun '16 7:45:55 AM by comicwriter

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#59783: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:46:51 AM

So, from the sounds of it, it looks like we have a fair chance of Baron Mordo being built up as a protagonist throughout the film in order to make it more interesting when he's a villain in a later film. That's exactly how I wanted them to do it and I really hope they do.

Where does the rights to Firestar belong?

Fox, I would assume. She's a mutant and she was introduced as a member of the Hellions in Uncanny X-Men #193, 1985. That's, of course, assuming we're ignoring her actual first appearance on the Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends cartoon show, where she teamed up with Spider-Man alongside X-Man Bobby Drake.

That show was a very miniscule part of her character history and basically is only remembered for the endless memes it's provided the internet.

She's also been a New Warrior and an Avenger, but Beast and Wolverine are Avengers too and that didn't save them from being labelled X-characters. The Avengers don't have enough claim to her to really constitute labelling her an Avengers character. The New Warriors might.

So, basically, it's a tug-of-war. There's a case to be made for her to be packaged in with the X-Men, Spider-Man, or New Warriors franchises. It's a case unlikely to ever be made, however, given that I don't imagine the X-Men or Spider-Man franchises care enough about Firestar to use her and I don't see a New Warriors film on the horizon any time soon.

edited 22nd Jun '16 7:48:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59784: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:58:29 AM

So, in this forum, we've discussed and agreed that the rights of the X-men should be returned to Marvel considering that Fox's version has little similarity to the comics. So, in you guys opinions, which approach should Marvel handle X-men if they ever had the right back? Mine would be an animated series produced by Disney in the style of their good shows like Gravity Falls.

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#59785: Jun 22nd 2016 at 7:59:37 AM

We agreed to it? I thought we agreed that Fox should keep them?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59786: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:03:32 AM

We haven't reached an agreement on anything. Some argued for Fox to keep the rights, others argued for Marvel to get them back.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59787: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:04:22 AM

Yeah there is no "we agreed". I don't want them in the MCU. They work best in their own universe.

edited 22nd Jun '16 8:04:59 AM by comicwriter

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#59788: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:05:42 AM

If Marvel ever got the rights to X-Men the most I'll expect them to do is pick certain characters to use and basically ignore almost everything that has to do with "Mutants".

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#59789: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:06:07 AM

General consensus really has seemed to lean towards "Mutants are too convoluted and are better done in their own setting."

I personally disagree and continue to disagree, in part because a lot of the concerns seem to be trying to preserve Fox's work while I have no problem striking them from the record, but that's different.

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#59790: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:08:29 AM

Mutants can work in the comics. They can't in the movies because it'd look too weird to suddenly say "oh yeah, mutants exist here now".

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59791: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:08:39 AM

I'll admit Fox leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the X-Men but it gets harder and harder to write Mutants in a universe with other superheroes. I guess a good enough compromise would be if Marvel got the rights back made X-men movies in a separate continuity from the rest of the MCU.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59792: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:09:46 AM

The whole discussion is also a pipe dream since at this point, the rights aren't going anywhere. Deadpool alone is enough to convince them to hang on to the rights for the foreseeable future.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59793: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:11:07 AM

Also, does Marvel writers keep track with their characters name? Night Nurse has the same last name as Cap's GF Sharon Carter and no one bothers to change / lampshade it?

You've never met two unrelated people who had the same last name?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59794: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:14:35 AM

[up]That tends not to be the case in fiction.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59795: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:16:37 AM

[up]Marvel is however, a shared universe with hundreds, if not thousands of characters. There's only so many names you can use before you have to start repeating.

edited 22nd Jun '16 8:20:07 AM by comicwriter

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#59796: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:17:03 AM

There's a trope for that.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59797: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:38:47 AM

Funny how many James and Sams there are.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#59798: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:41:01 AM

Surnames are generally a bigger deal, because it's usually assumed that if two characters have the same last name that they have some kind of familial relationship.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59799: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:45:58 AM

@ Adric: I think we all would like Marvel to get the right back. Whether or not they will be in the MCU is another matter.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#59800: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:49:24 AM

No, we would not all.

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