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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#59651: Jun 20th 2016 at 8:55:38 AM

[up][up][up] Nebula is the only one that makes sense to me. All the other antagonists from Got G 1 are either dead or Thanos.

Though the synopsis keeps the nature of the alliance ambiguous. So it could be more of an enemy mine situation then a true Heel–Face Turn

edited 20th Jun '16 8:56:06 AM by Falrinn

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#59652: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:04:03 AM

I don't think many marvel heroes even have capes

Just Thor in the movies, right?

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#59653: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:05:10 AM

I find his claim of "original ideas" funny given how White House Down was two months after Olympus Has Fallen.

It was an original idea in March 2012, when James Vanderbilt hired him to direct it. This sometimes happens when multiple studios acquire the same script and start producing it, often without realizing that someone else is doing the same.

In this case, a spec scriptHey!  was being passed around in March 2012 for a movie that was vaguely about a paramilitary attacking the White House.

Sony Pictures purchased the spec script and started production on White House Down and, at the same time, Millennium Films also purchased the spec script and started production on Olympus Has Fallen. The end result: two movies that are basically the same f*cking movie but with different casts and crews released at around the same time as each other.

It's a funny thing that sometimes happens in Hollywood. See also Deep Impact versus Armageddon.

EDIT: Of note, apparently Vanderbilt was the writer of the spec script, which means that if either film must be labelled the "legitimate" one, Emmerich's has the stronger claim.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:08:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59654: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:09:00 AM

[up][up] Thor and Vision. They never took Edna Mode's advice: NO CAPE!

edited 20th Jun '16 9:11:23 AM by shatterstar

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#59655: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:11:53 AM

Vision only did it because Thor did, though. Age of Ultron had him manifest the cape out of Cape Envy. It was hilarious.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59656: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:14:30 AM

Is weird emmerich salid that considering the second part of the avenger is pretty much independence day with superheros

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59657: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:16:06 AM

[up][up][up][up] [up]Thor and Vision, because he was inspired by Thor (one of the best ideas Whedon had, btw). And in Vision's case the NO CAPES! rule doesn't matter because his cape isn't real anyway and doesn't obey the laws of physics at all.

Scarlet witch normally has a cape, but for the movies they replaced it with a badass coat.

Re: Emmerich: While he certainly knows how to do an action spectacle, he would be a terrible fit the MCU, since he has no idea how to write a good character. The only reason independence day works in this regard is because his stock characters were still somehow fresh back then, and he brought something to the table by subverting tropes left and right (ie the standard white action hero being played by Will Smith, Judaism as the most present religion in it aso). But the MCU movies are ALL about the characters.

You can give Emmerich one of those Mutant action movies Fox sells as X-men. There he would be the perfect fit. He certainly would be able to stage a better apocalypse than Singer.

Re: Film Critic Hulk: Yes, an all caps text is really that hard to read for me. It makes it harder to see when sentences end and begin, for starters. For a text which already gets to the point in a very roundabout way, messing with the basic writing rules is the worst thing you can do.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:16:47 AM by Swanpride

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59658: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:20:30 AM

If he did a MCU then the conflict would scale up and up and up, dwarfing the protagonists who must overcome it. He puts too much emphasis on everything but those we bought the damn ticket for. Largest scale of conflict is his number 1 priority, or should I really say the destruction caused by his antagonist and how everyone else counter attacks it. This is only okay for more impactful damage on the setting.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:27:57 AM by FictionWriterKing

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#59659: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:22:21 AM

In a Roland Emmerich movie, a lot of people bought the ticket for exactly the thing he puts his emphasis on: watching things explode, collapse, or otherwise be destroyed on an epic scale.

He's king of the Destruction Porn genre. There's a reason the original trailer for Independence Day barely even had any characters in it, but instead focused on the White House exploding. That's what he sells, and it's what put people in the theater.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:22:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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#59660: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:23:50 AM

I'm still sore over him making that 1998 Godzilla in name only movie.

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#59661: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:23:57 AM

Oops, forgot about Vision.

Still though. That's two characters out of lots.

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#59662: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:25:57 AM

[up][up] God, that movie was awful. [lol]

Yeah. He's got a lot of terrible movies under his belt because the problem with his movies is that they're really all the same movie. If you've seen Independence Day, you've seen every Emmerich movie ever made. There's only so many times "stuff explodes, landmarks are destroyed" can be done, and Emmerich did it best with that one.

For that reason, I wouldn't want to see him given creative control in a hypothetical Galactus-centric movie. Someone else would need to handle characters and shit. But it'd be neat to see the kind of destruction Emmerich's famous for.

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#59663: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:26:38 AM

Why does anyone really care? I'm sure there are a lot of filmmakers who don't care for superheroes.

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#59664: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:27:34 AM

Because it's fun to shit talk Roland Emmerich, I guess.

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#59665: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:28:43 AM

Because it's a slow thread day. A guy said a thing about the Marvel movies! It's a conversation starter.

If this were a day where we were in the midst of arguing over whether Iron Man or Captain America was right, or a day where Doctor Strange had just come out, it probably would have been ignored.

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#59666: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:29:23 AM

It doesn't really matter. Though I do find him calling Marvel movies silly a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59667: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:29:46 AM

I would make fun of him because he just showed ignorance. Your standard superhero story is gonna have superpowers and outlandish costumes, which I don't see how that's negative, implying silly is bad. Many Anime characters have the same thing...

edited 20th Jun '16 9:32:44 AM by FictionWriterKing

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59668: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:32:59 AM

I can't muster up the fucks to give here. Roland isn't any different than some random forum goer complaining about comic book films being prolific.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:33:08 AM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59669: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:33:13 AM

Yeah, and we have already established that Cap is totally right! tongue

Though, if you want something new to discuss, how about "which genre should Marvel could cover next"? Other than the Black Widow Spy movie I will talk about until I get to see it, I would love it if the next Got G is in its core a Pirate movie! I love Pirate movie, and the best way to cover this genre is going into space! Plus, Quill is practically a pirate anyway! He and Yondu could be rivals on some sort of treasure hunt.....

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59670: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:34:28 AM

Cyberpunk I said it before. Antman 2 = Scott shrinks into cyberspace.

Next is on Netflix or abc. A western with two kid gun or someone else

Whatever the help savage lands would be.

edited 20th Jun '16 9:34:59 AM by FictionWriterKing

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59671: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:43:19 AM

Im with Tobias about emmerich: I would love to see his particular brand of destruction in Marvel, DC already beat them in that regard

in fact using Hulk as disaster film would be very intersting change for Marvel

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59672: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:50:49 AM

Marvel probably wants to avoid portraying the Hulk in too negative a light. I'm surprised they let CW acknowledge he probably killed people during The Avengers.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#59673: Jun 20th 2016 at 9:54:34 AM

Question for the thread: what directors would you not want to see ever handling an MCU film? Not just because they're bad, but because they have particular styles and quirks that wouldn't work?

For example, I would not want Emmerich anywhere near the MCU, partially because most of his films are shit, but mainly because of over-emphasis on "destruction porn", reliance on stock characters, and the "us vs. them" fervor that several of his films carry.

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#59674: Jun 20th 2016 at 10:01:56 AM

Not too interested in that topic.

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#59675: Jun 20th 2016 at 10:02:06 AM

Yeah, letting the Hulk be personally responsible for Emmerich-scale destruction would pretty much put a kibosh on him ever being a protagonist again. >.> At that point, I don't think even Cap would argue with him being locked away somewhere for everyone's safety.

That's why I proposed someone like Galactus. Someone you're not supposed to like or sympathize with.

edited 20th Jun '16 10:03:14 AM by TobiasDrake

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