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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
For me the best of the avenger is not the movie itself but what it means, after seen Thor,Cap and Iron man you get this comic book feeling of seen diferent part of the story until the climax and this movie do it well, it like seen the end of trilogy play out but outside that is pretty standar movie that have really good moment
And about Loki, in Thor he is trainwrack in the end, shouting about being love and if everything is ok, by the avenger he became a cold chessmaster who want to take over the world because....something? is like there is a chunk of chararterization that went missing between both parts
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
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I think one of my favorite tropes is Inferiority Superiority Complex. Characters like Loki or even more "heroic" ones like Asuka from NGE who are perceived by the fandom as entitled, haughty, arrogant (not without reason) are really far more insecure than "modest" people. It feels like...um, here's a metaphor. It feels as though by having such an inflated ego, it's more easily popped. Or they are so high on themselves but it's a tower made on sand and can come crashing down any second. (I dunno, I fel like metaphors are appropriate here)
I think it's really interesting and it's one reason I perhaps have more sympathy for these types of characters. They are full of themselves to be sure but it's such a brittle self-confidence and when it's taken away, they fall HARD.
edited 19th Jun '16 1:43:51 PM by Nikkolas
Just one note though. Loki's scheme in Thor has absolutely nothing to do with his Frost Giant heritage. His plan to topple Thor was already developed before that.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."![]()
that can be, but in Avenger if feel more like "IM GOING TO TAKE THE WORLD!!!!" his last action with Hulk was funny but creible stupid in context and the only deep moment was him with Thor which was touching (and so loaded in ho yay it make Tony/Steve love homophobic in comparation), granted he still have his moment like his talk to Fury and with Natasha which is one of the few moment she break her stoic badass moment
Even them it almost look a part was cut, like Loki move from one chararterization to another without any real reason
edited 19th Jun '16 2:02:59 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Oh, I agree completely about Loki's Character Derailment. As I have said, I disliked The Avengers immensely.
, Apparently there's a call for Captain America to represent the LGBT community.
This after the controversy over him being HYDRA.
edited 19th Jun '16 3:07:01 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I think that already started before the Hydra-revelation happened, I guess it was around the release of Civil War and the general unhappiness with the Steve/Sharon subplot.
Sing the song of sixpence that goes burn the witch, we know where you liveIt was a handful of days before the Captain HYDRA reveal, leading to some tinfoil hatters speculating Marvel pulled the Captain HYDRA reveal specifically to spite the shippers, even though that's literally impossible considering the amount of time it makes for a comic to be made.
Not sure if that's sarcasm given the Myspace joke, but 616 Cap has been a long-time ally to the LGBT community in universe. There was an excellent story
published all the way back in the 80s during the AIDS panic where his childhood friend Arnie Roth (who a lot of people think might've inspired elements of MCU Bucky's backstory) was gay, and he was really supportive of it all.
edited 19th Jun '16 3:08:28 PM by AlleyOop
guess my view on Loki is different from a lot of people's because I assumed he found out about his Frost Giant heritage at some point well before the start of the movie, and that bit where he "discovers" it was just for Odin's benefit." Never happened. That's just your fan fiction self talking.
Captain America comics do address social issues like 602 of Captain America, which wasn't the first or last.![]()
Gruenwald’s CA ran for a few years. During the time Steve tackled immigration, vigilante justice, patraism for profit, radical feminism, drug addiction, amoral ultra capitalism, etc. He was more of an every man as well who suffered from guilt and struggled to find a day-career ——- even going on dates.
edited 19th Jun '16 3:56:56 PM by FictionWriterKing
"Not sure if that's sarcasm given the Myspace joke"
Is a civil war(comic) reference where a reporter tell Cap is out of touch with modern america because he dosent have myspace,dosent see Nascar and other steriotypical thing, yeah it was that bad
Yeah, is a shame it amount to nothing
At least there was consistency. That reporter was consistently stupid every time she showed up.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe character became The Scrappy so quickly that everyone (including her creator) basically turned it into a joke and made it canon that everyone in the Marvel Universe hates her just as much as the readers.
Shame that Ben Urich got a contact stupid high from standing too close to her
Forever liveblogging the AvengersOh yeah, I forgot it was NASCAR, not monster trucks. Same thing, really.
You know I actually bough that comic when it came out. Civil War Frontline was the name, I think there were multiple issues and I can't recall which number it was. I got on te hinternet and transcribed the whole exchange for some people and it touched off a several page long thread abusing Sally Floyd. I think that was her name.
Good times. I remember seeing a parody of her yelling at Cap's grave (you might remember he died around this time) and she was yelling at his tombstone for not being on Myspace.

Well, in this case the biggest problem is Thor staring at his hammer for ages.
edited 19th Jun '16 1:23:39 PM by Swanpride