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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59601: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:23:23 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] You know, I have watched the movie multiple times by now and I never made that connection.

Well, in this case the biggest problem is Thor staring at his hammer for ages.

edited 19th Jun '16 1:23:39 PM by Swanpride

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#59602: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:26:11 PM

I guess my view on Loki is different from a lot of people's because I assumed he found out about his Frost Giant heritage at some point well before the start of the movie, and that bit where he "discovers" it was just for Odin's benefit.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#59603: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:27:29 PM

I never got that impression. He finds his heritage during the middle of the Frost Giant fight, then he confronts Odin about it, and then that's when shit goes crazy.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59604: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:32:41 PM

For me the best of the avenger is not the movie itself but what it means, after seen Thor,Cap and Iron man you get this comic book feeling of seen diferent part of the story until the climax and this movie do it well, it like seen the end of trilogy play out but outside that is pretty standar movie that have really good moment

And about Loki, in Thor he is trainwrack in the end, shouting about being love and if everything is ok, by the avenger he became a cold chessmaster who want to take over the world because....something? is like there is a chunk of chararterization that went missing between both parts

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#59605: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:34:43 PM

[up][up] See, he handled that bit in the Frost Giant fight so calmly, I got the impression he must have already known.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#59606: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:37:56 PM

Well there were a lot of things going on that Loki was probably distracted.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59607: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:40:59 PM

[up][up][up] I think one of my favorite tropes is Inferiority Superiority Complex. Characters like Loki or even more "heroic" ones like Asuka from NGE who are perceived by the fandom as entitled, haughty, arrogant (not without reason) are really far more insecure than "modest" people. It feels like...um, here's a metaphor. It feels as though by having such an inflated ego, it's more easily popped. Or they are so high on themselves but it's a tower made on sand and can come crashing down any second. (I dunno, I fel like metaphors are appropriate here)

I think it's really interesting and it's one reason I perhaps have more sympathy for these types of characters. They are full of themselves to be sure but it's such a brittle self-confidence and when it's taken away, they fall HARD.

edited 19th Jun '16 1:43:51 PM by Nikkolas

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59608: Jun 19th 2016 at 1:56:23 PM

Just one note though. Loki's scheme in Thor has absolutely nothing to do with his Frost Giant heritage. His plan to topple Thor was already developed before that.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59609: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:01:58 PM

[up][up]that can be, but in Avenger if feel more like "IM GOING TO TAKE THE WORLD!!!!" his last action with Hulk was funny but creible stupid in context and the only deep moment was him with Thor which was touching (and so loaded in ho yay it make Tony/Steve love homophobic in comparation), granted he still have his moment like his talk to Fury and with Natasha which is one of the few moment she break her stoic badass moment

Even them it almost look a part was cut, like Loki move from one chararterization to another without any real reason

edited 19th Jun '16 2:02:59 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59610: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:22:09 PM

[up] Oh, I agree completely about Loki's Character Derailment. As I have said, I disliked The Avengers immensely.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#59611: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:42:48 PM

, Apparently there's a call for Captain America to represent the LGBT community. This after the controversy over him being HYDRA.

edited 19th Jun '16 3:07:01 PM by Soble

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#59612: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:45:45 PM

Dude, that's old news. Like, in Internet time, that's old as shit.

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Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Don't mock the shocker
#59613: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:46:02 PM

I think that already started before the Hydra-revelation happened, I guess it was around the release of Civil War and the general unhappiness with the Steve/Sharon subplot.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#59614: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:47:16 PM

Of course there is.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#59615: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:47:46 PM

Damn. Was hoping to read discussion about this that wasn't on Cinema Blend, the comment section there is kind of... voracious.

Ah well, news to me.

[up] (2) The articles are dated 2-3 weeks ago, so they must have reported on it late.

edited 19th Jun '16 2:48:53 PM by Soble

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59616: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:56:32 PM

Please. Steve doesn't represent the LBGT Community. He doesn't even understand Myspace or monster truck rallies, let alone complex social issues.

edited 19th Jun '16 2:57:14 PM by Nikkolas

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59617: Jun 19th 2016 at 2:59:53 PM

It was a handful of days before the Captain HYDRA reveal, leading to some tinfoil hatters speculating Marvel pulled the Captain HYDRA reveal specifically to spite the shippers, even though that's literally impossible considering the amount of time it makes for a comic to be made.

[up]Not sure if that's sarcasm given the Myspace joke, but 616 Cap has been a long-time ally to the LGBT community in universe. There was an excellent story published all the way back in the 80s during the AIDS panic where his childhood friend Arnie Roth (who a lot of people think might've inspired elements of MCU Bucky's backstory) was gay, and he was really supportive of it all.

edited 19th Jun '16 3:08:28 PM by AlleyOop

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59618: Jun 19th 2016 at 3:47:04 PM

guess my view on Loki is different from a lot of people's because I assumed he found out about his Frost Giant heritage at some point well before the start of the movie, and that bit where he "discovers" it was just for Odin's benefit." Never happened. That's just your fan fiction self talking.

Captain America comics do address social issues like 602 of Captain America, which wasn't the first or last.[up][up] Gruenwald’s CA ran for a few years. During the time Steve tackled immigration, vigilante justice, patraism for profit, radical feminism, drug addiction, amoral ultra capitalism, etc. He was more of an every man as well who suffered from guilt and struggled to find a day-career ——- even going on dates.

edited 19th Jun '16 3:56:56 PM by FictionWriterKing

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#59619: Jun 19th 2016 at 5:57:15 PM

Ya know, I have to say: The scene where that dude turns into Kurse in The Dark World was actually kinda tense.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59620: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:07:33 PM

"Not sure if that's sarcasm given the Myspace joke"

Is a civil war(comic) reference where a reporter tell Cap is out of touch with modern america because he dosent have myspace,dosent see Nascar and other steriotypical thing, yeah it was that bad

[up]Yeah, is a shame it amount to nothing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59621: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:29:22 PM

Marvel doing Captain HYDRA was a petty attempt at undercutting's DC's Rebirth event by stealing away attention. It utterly failed on that account since despite the outrage, Rebirth still outsold it.

edited 19th Jun '16 6:31:15 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#59622: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:29:48 PM

At least there was consistency. That reporter was consistently stupid every time she showed up.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59623: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:32:18 PM

The character became The Scrappy so quickly that everyone (including her creator) basically turned it into a joke and made it canon that everyone in the Marvel Universe hates her just as much as the readers.

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Funny but not helpful
#59624: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:34:29 PM

Shame that Ben Urich got a contact stupid high from standing too close to her

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59625: Jun 19th 2016 at 6:40:59 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot it was NASCAR, not monster trucks. Same thing, really.

You know I actually bough that comic when it came out. Civil War Frontline was the name, I think there were multiple issues and I can't recall which number it was. I got on te hinternet and transcribed the whole exchange for some people and it touched off a several page long thread abusing Sally Floyd. I think that was her name.

Good times. I remember seeing a parody of her yelling at Cap's grave (you might remember he died around this time) and she was yelling at his tombstone for not being on Myspace.


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