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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Though he got a bit of flak for the "he's adopted" joke being incredibly out of character of Thor the sake of a joke, all in all I don't really think Whedon has a problem with keeping Thor in character in general.
I do, however, think he (and/or the writers) doesn't quite know what to do with Thor as a character. In both Avengers movies, Thor is just kind of there standing around until it's time to fight, the big dramatic moments in fights are often given to other characters, he doesn't seem to interact with the other characters as often as they do to each other, and both movies ultimately separate him from the others to do his own thing and make excuses for him to not be around. Unlike everyone else, Thor doesn't really have a personal character arc in Ultron - his individual stuff is largely external.
On the other hand, the Hulk vs Thor bit in the first Avengers - leading into his finding Loki and Coulson's death - is one of my favorite Thor moments in the MCU.
edited 18th Jun '16 12:02:11 PM by KnownUnknown
Its actually kind of funny that for a cosmic team that deals with big cosmic nonsense, the Guardians are kind of underpowered.
Its what comes of dialing Gamora down and leaving out Adam Warlock, I suppose.
Although a sort of thing in their movie is that they were a bunch of floundering losers way out of their depth with 12% of a plan that muddled their way to victory anyway.
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It's because they were written with more "space opera" in mind than "superhero." They were reworked as a bunch of ragtag thugs, crooks and assassins who do business with blasters and cool spaceships, rather than a bunch of ragtag one man army superheroes.
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It did work out fairly well.
I wonder how Mantis will be interpreted given that idiom.
The GOTG cartoon made her kind of a crazy cultist.
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I imagine it will be something similar. The whole 'Celestial Madonna' business could be pretty easily rejigged into some sort of religious/cult deal. And presumably she like Drax is going to be an alien right from the outset and not a human who looks pretty alien.
It'd be a weird continuity nod if it turns out that she and Groot were supposed to have an arranged marriage before they went off to do their own things.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think Whedon does Thor fine, though I think he lays on the Ye Olde English a bit hard at times, probably in part because he's knows the comics and knows what Thor's "supposed" to sound like. The first Thor film plays it more for laughs than anything, and the second one actually toned it down pretty considerably.
edited 18th Jun '16 12:59:49 PM by Watchtower
I think that Whedon doesn't really like Thor and doesn't really know what to do with him. In The Avengers, it was not that noticeable, because he had very intense scenes with Loki, but those were mostly there to explain Loki and less for Thor's benefit. And outside of those scenes, he barely interacted with the other Avengers at all outside of the battle. He is mostly just standing around at the bridge, while Steve, Bruce and Tony get to know each other.
Same in Age of Ultron. There he is only relevant when it comes to his hammer, but otherwise, he isn't even with the Avengers for most of the movie. He is not exactly out of character in those movie, but he easily the most isolated of them all.
Sorta fits though.
He's a prince from another world. Despite cooling down from his first movie, he feels most at home in battle. And laughing at people with smaller worthinesses
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don't know if Whedon doesn't actually like Thor as much as not have a clue about how to use him/write him. Cap, Hawkeye, Widow, even Fury to an extent, they have the whole 'badass normal' thing going for them, Bruce and Tony get to spout snark and technobabble so they are all set. Thor is (one of) the most powerful beings in the whole MCU thus far, he's not particularly snarky (relatively speaking), he ticks none of the boxes that Whedon likes his characters to fit.
The end result is he tends to big ignored outside of the fight scene, which might be for the best as the most recognisably 'Whedonesque' lines he gets ('... He's adopted.', for example) just don't sound right coming from Thor. Neither sarcasm nor Buffy-speak really work for Thor.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."Yeah, I think that is the main problem...even Cap doesn't feel quite right because he is a little bit more snarky than he is in his stand alone movies (in which Bucky and Falcon are actually the ones providing the snark). Not that Cap can't be snarky, but it is not his default state, he tends to be more straightforward and just says what he thinks without being outright insulting about it. And using his "aww, shucks" act to get other people to do what he wants.
Whedon would actually be perfect for an Iron Man movie if not for the fact that RDJ likes to come up with his snark himself....
That's btw something I really appreciate about Marcus and Mc Feely, they have a perfect grasp on the characters. See Civil War. Iron Man, Spider-man and Ant-man are the only ones who go all jokey, Sam and Clint go sarcastic, and the others tend to be fairly serious. Cap only jokes around in his "best bro" fashion, and Natasha actually doesn't really joke at all.
It does seem like Markus and Mcfeely are among the least "quippy" of the MCU writers. The Cap films are consistently light on the witticisms, don't have designated snarkers/comic relief, and most of the humor they use is situational (lines delivered seriously but which sound funny in context) or the characters are ribbing each other in universe.
Although what makes that work is that its such a huge change from Tony's usual.
Even Tony in serious world-ending situations spews wit.
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Thor's alright I guess. He's not particularly better or worse than he is in his solo films aside from maybe the "he's adopted" joke.