Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Plenty of fans actually think the ending of Death Note would have been improved if it was Aizawa and the rest of the crime team who brought down Light instead of Replacement Goldfish Near. They were actually on the right track towards unmasking him near the end; their investigation was just cut off by Near beating them to the goal.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Spidey is not really street level. Or rather, he's at the very tippy top of street level.
Street level more due to temperament than power set?
And also because the writers want him to everyman his way everywhere.
But the X-Men often tangle with cosmic level nonsense and Spidey made an entire X-Men team look foolish once
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAnd one of the best Daredevil stories is when Daredevil beat Ultron with a stick.
Seriously. All that matters is if it's a good story.
edited 17th Jun '16 10:22:57 AM by alliterator
Is a mix feeling sometimes, there are moment where a good moment beat feat because otherwise story could get old real fast
but there is also moment where the logic seen to be "I want this chararter to do something badass so fuck logic!" which let to thinks like the Batgod meme
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Well, Hawkeye shot down a lot of Ultron drones. Do his arrows count as sticks?
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Honestly, it's not like smacking him with a stick would have made him less of a disappointment.
My various fanfics.So far the MCU did a good job to specify the abilities of the heroes, and giving good reasons why even weaker ones can win in certain situations. Cap is the best example of this. He doesn't have the best arsenal, he isn't physically the strongest, but he is by far the best strategist, so he can take on even stronger opponents by using his smarts and experience (and if that fails, he is just too stubborn to loose). Or Black Widow, who is also not particularly strong, but she is trained to be a living weapon, so you should never underestimate her, plus, she is above all a born manipulator.
"Street level" is more a genre classification than a power level classification in any case - there's a reason Spidey is one of the quintessential street level heroes while also being strong enough to fight evenly with half the Avengers.
He is, more or less, the bridge between street level and more bombastic heroics.
edited 17th Jun '16 3:08:46 PM by KnownUnknown
@Tobias That says more about Near's Replacement Scrappy status than anything.
If L was still alive, do you think people would want Aizawa to beat Light? No. It's because the story establishes these guys are just better than these other guys. The other guys can help and even contribute in important ways here and there but the ultimate battle is between the giants who are merely playing with children.
edited 17th Jun '16 4:33:16 PM by Nikkolas
![]()
Honestly, I'd prefer Light getting taken out by the little guys - it'd cut his ego down to size (and Near's, for that matter). Fitting for someone who declared himself a god.

Well since you and Tobias are here, I can use an analogy why this bugs me. It be like if Matsuda or Aizawa suddenly outsmarted Light. Or hell, they outsmart L, since I know you guys question just how intelligent Light was in the first place.
A story, a narrative, sets up these...these "rules" for a reason. It's why the Ennis fanboys for a long time said "THE PUNISHER DOESN'T BELONG IN A SUPER UNIVERSE!" I don't agree completely with that but the core idea of "street-level heroes should stick to street-level crime" makes sense. Spiderman shouldn't be fighting Heralds of Galactus.
It all reminds me of my thread in the Comics forum about why mutants are persecuted in a world of supers who mostly aren't persecuted. These stories all take place in the same world, on the same Earth, but they're generally self-contained. Except when they're not. It's jarring.
edited 17th Jun '16 9:55:49 AM by Nikkolas