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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59426: Jun 17th 2016 at 9:54:19 AM

Well since you and Tobias are here, I can use an analogy why this bugs me. It be like if Matsuda or Aizawa suddenly outsmarted Light. Or hell, they outsmart L, since I know you guys question just how intelligent Light was in the first place.

A story, a narrative, sets up these...these "rules" for a reason. It's why the Ennis fanboys for a long time said "THE PUNISHER DOESN'T BELONG IN A SUPER UNIVERSE!" I don't agree completely with that but the core idea of "street-level heroes should stick to street-level crime" makes sense. Spiderman shouldn't be fighting Heralds of Galactus.

It all reminds me of my thread in the Comics forum about why mutants are persecuted in a world of supers who mostly aren't persecuted. These stories all take place in the same world, on the same Earth, but they're generally self-contained. Except when they're not. It's jarring.

edited 17th Jun '16 9:55:49 AM by Nikkolas

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#59427: Jun 17th 2016 at 9:56:38 AM

Plenty of fans actually think the ending of Death Note would have been improved if it was Aizawa and the rest of the crime team who brought down Light instead of Replacement Goldfish Near. They were actually on the right track towards unmasking him near the end; their investigation was just cut off by Near beating them to the goal.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#59428: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:19:16 AM

Spidey is not really street level. Or rather, he's at the very tippy top of street level.

Street level more due to temperament than power set?

And also because the writers want him to everyman his way everywhere.

But the X-Men often tangle with cosmic level nonsense and Spidey made an entire X-Men team look foolish once

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59429: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:20:03 AM

And one of the best Daredevil stories is when Daredevil beat Ultron with a stick. Seriously. All that matters is if it's a good story.

edited 17th Jun '16 10:22:57 AM by alliterator

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59430: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:25:17 AM

I don't know if I'd call that a good story. More of a "so bad, it's good" story.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59431: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:26:27 AM

Is a mix feeling sometimes, there are moment where a good moment beat feat because otherwise story could get old real fast

but there is also moment where the logic seen to be "I want this chararter to do something badass so fuck logic!" which let to thinks like the Batgod meme

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59432: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:26:48 AM

Yeah Spider-Man deals with stuff outside of the street level thing all the time. He's an Avenger.

[up][up][up]I'm mad Ultron wasn't beaten with a stick in the movie.

edited 17th Jun '16 10:27:20 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59433: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:29:06 AM

I don't know if I'd call that a good story. More of a "so bad, it's good" story.
It was a great story that was part of a mediocre crossover. The same with the issue where Magneto trapped the Red Skull underground.

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#59434: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:31:15 AM

Well, Hawkeye shot down a lot of Ultron drones. Do his arrows count as sticks?

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59435: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:38:43 AM

[up] No, you'd have a hard time making that argument even if the shafts were wood, which they almost certainly weren't.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#59436: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:40:34 AM

Honestly, it's not like smacking him with a stick would have made him less of a disappointment.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#59437: Jun 17th 2016 at 10:43:36 AM

They should bring back Mark the Ultron.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59439: Jun 17th 2016 at 11:33:39 AM

Damn, he's practically swimming in action figures of himself.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#59443: Jun 17th 2016 at 1:46:24 PM

[up][up] Good on him.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59444: Jun 17th 2016 at 1:54:24 PM

So far the MCU did a good job to specify the abilities of the heroes, and giving good reasons why even weaker ones can win in certain situations. Cap is the best example of this. He doesn't have the best arsenal, he isn't physically the strongest, but he is by far the best strategist, so he can take on even stronger opponents by using his smarts and experience (and if that fails, he is just too stubborn to loose). Or Black Widow, who is also not particularly strong, but she is trained to be a living weapon, so you should never underestimate her, plus, she is above all a born manipulator.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59445: Jun 17th 2016 at 3:08:23 PM

"Street level" is more a genre classification than a power level classification in any case - there's a reason Spidey is one of the quintessential street level heroes while also being strong enough to fight evenly with half the Avengers.

He is, more or less, the bridge between street level and more bombastic heroics.

edited 17th Jun '16 3:08:46 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59446: Jun 17th 2016 at 3:29:21 PM

What's Cox gonna do with all those Daredevils?

Besides Scrooge McDuck it up in a vault of them, obviously.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#59447: Jun 17th 2016 at 3:31:27 PM

I have to admit that owning action figures of yourself must be amazing.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59448: Jun 17th 2016 at 4:32:39 PM

@Tobias That says more about Near's Replacement Scrappy status than anything.

If L was still alive, do you think people would want Aizawa to beat Light? No. It's because the story establishes these guys are just better than these other guys. The other guys can help and even contribute in important ways here and there but the ultimate battle is between the giants who are merely playing with children.

edited 17th Jun '16 4:33:16 PM by Nikkolas

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59449: Jun 17th 2016 at 5:05:29 PM

[up][up][up]Make a suit of armor out of them.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#59450: Jun 17th 2016 at 5:12:42 PM

[up][up] Honestly, I'd prefer Light getting taken out by the little guys - it'd cut his ego down to size (and Near's, for that matter). Fitting for someone who declared himself a god.

Oh God! Natural light!

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