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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#59376: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:14:32 AM

She smashed him through hundreds of feet of concrete and rock. He was completely unable to move. I mean, maybe if he wanted to laser her, he could've won, but she might've been able to point his head away from her.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59377: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:16:19 AM

[up] Thing is if he did something like that to her, she wouldn't survive it.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#59378: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:22:40 AM

I got the strong impression that she was specifically using his density manipulation ability against him. That's why he went all ragdoll instead of just being slammed into the floor by an invisible force like is normal for telekinesis.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#59379: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:27:45 AM

It's also hard to use "Wanda vs. Vision" because Vision is clearly holding back, for everyone to an extent but especially for her.

I'd think Earth-wise Vision has it pretty much sealed, unless the Hulk somehow manages to out-endurance him.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#59380: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:29:10 AM

Let me make a Pokemon analogy.

Most of the time a Flygon beats a Ferrothorn 1 on 1. However, Flygon is low tiered while Ferrothorn is high tiered because the latter can beat more Pokemon.

So even if Vision wasn't holding back he can still be stronger.

edited 17th Jun '16 7:39:28 AM by flameboy21th

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#59381: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:35:00 AM

Vision wasn't holding back, he was actively not fighting her. He had no desire to harm her whatsoever and she got the jump on him.

Even Hawkeye could defeat a Thor who had no interest in the altercation and was actively refraining from hitting him with anything.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59382: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:35:01 AM

What are Wanda's powers in this version, anyway? Her abilities are hard to adapt.

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#59383: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:35:24 AM

She's weird.

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#59384: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:54:50 AM

MCU Wanda can rip through Vibranium and completely immobilize Vision. I don't doubt that Vision has the potential to be stronger, considering he's powered by an entire Infinity Stone, while she just got her powers from it, but as it is now, I'd say that Wanda is stronger than Vision. Doesn't mean she's stronger than Hulk, or that Vision is weaker than Hulk.

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#59385: Jun 17th 2016 at 7:56:22 AM

@Nikkolas, Super telekinesis ad some form of telepathy. The Psychic starter kit basically.

edited 17th Jun '16 7:56:29 AM by MousaThe14

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59386: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:14:36 AM

Well that's kind of lame. I like psychics and all but her powers can be so much cooler than that.

Also, I should have known I'd find a list like this on YT.

Of course, I'm not so sure about this list. Is MCU Spiderman the Andrew Garfield one? Because I never saw those movies but Toby-man would punch Cap's head off. In fact, most any version o fSpidey should destroy Cap.

Also Netflix Kingpin must be weaksauce as fuck. Comic Fisk has regularly used Matt as a punching bag and mop.

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#59387: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:20:57 AM

Andrew Garfield Spider-Man is a separate verse. The MCU Spidey is Tom Holland.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59388: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:22:56 AM

Well that's kind of lame. I like psychics and all but her powers can be so much cooler than that.

Cooler than Telekinesis and illusion projection?

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#59389: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:23:09 AM

[up][up] Who, thus far, all we've really seen of him is the airport battle in which he

  • Effortlessly defeated the Winter Soldier without even realizing that it's supposed to be a hard thing to do.
  • Got a shipping container dropped on him by Captain America.
  • Came up with and executed the plan to bring down Giant-Man.

Which, all told, is pretty impressive for a combined maybe 15 minutes of screentime.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:24:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59390: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:24:06 AM

Also Netflix Kingpin must be weaksauce as fuck. Comic Fisk has regularly used Matt as a punching bag and mop.
No, the Netflix Kingpin isn't weaksauce. He went toe-to-toe with Daredevil. In Season 2, he used the Punisher in his schemes while in prison and then, when the Punisher didn't die like he thought, he didn't try to kill him again, instead he let the Punisher out of prison so that he would cause more chaos.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:25:12 AM by alliterator

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#59391: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:26:05 AM

He's pretty weaksauce. His organization is toppled by his own constant stupidity with occasional help from Murdock, and then when he's desperate and on the run, Murdock hunts him down and hands him his ass on a plate. The series tries to build him up as a big scary threat, but it's underwhelming because he's pretty consistently an idiot prone to self-destructive outbursts who only manages to accomplish anything due to a seemingly bottomless well of money.

He's like Iron Man if, instead of a suit of powered armor he made by himself, he manifested his Infinite Wealth power in the form of paying bribes. That's his go-to for everything. Bribery is his superpower.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:27:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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Paradisesnake Since: Mar, 2012
#59392: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:30:23 AM

[up]x4 At her strongest she's a powerful Reality Warper.

[up][up] Well, the Netflix series didn't even attempt to adapt his Charles Atlas Superpower from the comics so he's definitely not freakishly strong like Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin was.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:31:14 AM by Paradisesnake

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59393: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:33:16 AM

Because I never saw those movies but Toby-man would punch Cap's head off. In fact, most any version o fSpidey should destroy Cap.

It's utterly pointless to debate who could beat who in a superhero fight because it ultimately comes down to who the writer wants to win. Spider-Man is frequently beaten up and almost killed by far weaker opponents, while Captain America regularly beats down guys who are way stronger than him. Power levels by themselves mean virtually nothing.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59394: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:35:07 AM

[up][up]Pretty much all crime lords and corrupt business men in fiction solve problems with money. And as Alliterator said, Fisk does manipulate Frank quite well. He's not flawless but he's not a total moron.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59395: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:35:19 AM

Yeah, Spider-Man was almost killed by Kraven the Hunter, a man whose powers include "Able to hunt really well."

Well, okay, now they include "immortality," but back then they didn't.

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#59396: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:36:08 AM

[up][up]I think Season 2 gave him a push in the right direction, so the question now is what will he do once he gets out.

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#59397: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:37:16 AM

Pretty much all crime lords and corrupt business men in fiction solve problems with money. And as Alliterator said, Fisk does manipulate Frank quite well. He's not flawless but he's not a total moron.

No, he doesn't. He manages to spring a trap on Frank by bribing some bribes into bribe, then when that backfires spectacularly, his plan is basically to loose Frank on the outside world to buy himself time to bribe enough bribes that Frank maybe someday hopefully won't be able to get through his thick wall of bribed bribes.

Both Frank and Murdock are the antithesis to Kingpin's strategy because they can't be bribed or bought and that is literally the only thing he has at his disposal. Reject the bribe and he's helpless.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:38:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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#59398: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:42:00 AM

[up][up][up]Isn't that more of a Strong, but Unskilled vs. Weak, but Skilled thing? There has times where Kraven has won with clever planning or gets stomped and requires power up to be a threat.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59399: Jun 17th 2016 at 8:42:38 AM

"It's utterly pointless to debate who could beat who in a superhero fight because it ultimately comes down to who the writer wants to win. Spider-Man is frequently beaten up and almost killed by far weaker opponents, while Captain America regularly beats down guys who are way stronger than him. Power levels by themselves mean virtually nothing."

It's that kind of thinking that makes comic book writing such a joke and why I mainly read miniseries and self-contained alternate universe titles. It doesn't matter what the writer thinks, it matters what makes sense. You basically just said bad storytelling is fine because it's what the writer wanted. Well, Captain America being able to beat The Hulk is just as stupid and shouldn't be allowed.

"Cooler than Telekinesis and illusion projection? "

Way cooler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2alOw4XiVA&feature=youtu.be&t=18m16s

Sadly, Evo Wanda was an isolated incident.

edited 17th Jun '16 8:44:22 AM by Nikkolas

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