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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59151: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:23:47 AM

It might be a good thing that the next movie is not a direct continuation to Civil War. Gives everyone a little bit time to cool off.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59152: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:25:54 AM

I'm not really hyped for Strange per se but you know, I'll go watch it I guess.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59153: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:30:50 AM

I'm more willing to give Ant-Man a break than Dr. Strange. AOU didn't leave me hanging or longing for a conclusion to the characters' arcs in the way Civil War did, so Ant-Man felt like a good Breather Episode compared to Dr. Strange which is more like being Trapped by Mountain Lions.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59154: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:32:04 AM

I had that same thought. CW not resolving the story really, and leaving the team shattered/scattered, and setting up this very different status quo, makes it perfectly natural that many (including me) would want to see follow-ups that explore the fallout. Black Widow being on the run after turning on Tony and exploring where she goes from here (and yet again teasing more of her mysterious past), Black Panther hiding Bucky and Wakanda and how that might affect things, how does Scott getting involved with CW effect his dynamic with the Pym's, his daughter, his ex-wife, etc, Where does Tony go from here, where are Cap's team now (are they all in Wakanda or did they scatter), and so on and so forth.

All potentially cool/interesting stuff.

edited 10th Jun '16 11:33:01 AM by Punisher286

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59155: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:36:27 AM

[up] Which is why I always roll my eyes when someone claims that Civil War had "no consequences".

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59156: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:38:47 AM

IDK how anyone could make such an argument with a straight face. What, because no one died, so what? Characters don't have to die in order for their to be "consequences." If there no consequences, then the team would be all back together good as new at the end of the movie, which they're not.

Not to mention that Rhodey is crippled now (at least temporarily).

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59157: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:42:22 AM

I think the argument they make is that the consequences are temporary. War Machine will eventually walk again, Steve broke his team out of the Raft, Tony and Steve will eventually make up, etc.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59158: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:43:51 AM

Yeah but we always knew that. They're not going to keep the team scattered permanently that would make no sense for them either plot-wise (with Thanos lurking on the horizon) or business-wise.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59159: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:45:00 AM

The sense of consequences would be greater if it wasn't for the letter.

That was basically a long assurance to the audience that yes a few movies down the line everything will be fixed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59160: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:45:28 AM

[up][up][up] It won't ever be the same again nevertheless.

[up] You can't just "fix" stuff like this. Rhodey's injury is permanent, even if the legs Tony built him will give him more movement than he would have otherwise. Scott will miss out even more from the childhood of his daughter. Tony and Steve will never forget this fight and how close they came killing each other.

edited 10th Jun '16 11:47:09 AM by Swanpride

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59161: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:47:04 AM

I saw that as a bit of character progress on Cap's part. Like he at least acknowledges that he screwed up along the way. And if anyone thought that Tony and Cap were going to be permanently at odds, then they're very naïve.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59162: Jun 10th 2016 at 1:27:29 PM

@Strange: IMO, Marvel could stoke the flames a bit more as well. Another trailer, some more info, etc. And the trailer, while not underwhelming, was very.... standard.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59163: Jun 10th 2016 at 1:29:10 PM

[up] It was a teaser which created a lot of buzz at exactly the right moment. Now that the "big" Superhero movies have gotten their due, Marvel will start to market the movie again, just in time for comic con. I would say that we get a full trailer around this time, and another, smaller one after Suicide Squad.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#59165: Jun 10th 2016 at 4:42:50 PM

Also Bucky isn't getting a new arm any time soon, so that at least is permanent.

[up] Woody Harrelson and Mark Ruffalo almost getting in a bar fight in New Orleans, that story needs to be told.

edited 10th Jun '16 4:49:02 PM by Silasw

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59166: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:22:06 PM

[up][up]Hmm, not seeing a link to the video mentioned.

[up][up][up] I dunno, the Dr. Strange trailer actually left me really underwhelmed, even disregarding all the stuff about the Ancient One the trippiness didn't hold up on rewatch and everything else looked kinda dull.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59167: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:26:43 PM

I don't think this was posted already, but in other Strange news people seem to be flipping out about about a recent LEGO set that supposedly reveals the movie's villain as Shuma-Gorath.

I say supposedly because, while people are getting very excited about this, it's worth noting that the thing in question doesn't look anything like Shuma and there's no official word on what its supposed to be. As much as I love Shuma and half-expect him to be vaguely involved somehow anyway (in particular, I'd like an "involved indirectly with Strange's beginning, but only hinted at until the final film of the series" affect), especially since he's responsible for the death / ascendance / it's complicated of the Ancient One, the set doesn't really feel indicative of him definitely being in it. Let alone being the main villain.

Then again, if it really is Shuma, then they really could be doing "what Green Lantern should have been like" with is villains, as we've been joking about.

edited 10th Jun '16 9:04:50 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59168: Jun 10th 2016 at 9:14:26 PM

That got posted a while ago, and I'm thinking it's just some random Shoggoth or One-Winged Angel summon.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59169: Jun 10th 2016 at 9:24:47 PM

Or they accidentally opened a portal to the tentacleverse.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59170: Jun 10th 2016 at 9:30:07 PM

God help them when the remnants of HYDRA find out.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59171: Jun 10th 2016 at 9:34:07 PM

[up][up] A dimension composed of nothing but tentacles. Somehow, the first thing I thought of was a tentacle with an eyepatch inducting a bunch of other tentacles into the Avenger Initiative.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59172: Jun 10th 2016 at 9:37:50 PM

You mean the Appendage Initiative.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59173: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:52:23 PM

No!!!! No toy spoiler!!!! I always try my best to avoid those, so please, don't blurt anything about this out there like someone did with the big Civil War Toy Spoiler (still bitter about that).

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#59174: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:31:25 AM

Big? It's giant spoiler alright.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59175: Jun 11th 2016 at 2:02:38 AM

In this continuity Stephen's doctorate is in art history.


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