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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59076: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:27:58 PM

[up] Sincerely doubt it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we heard nothing of them until Black Panther.

Or the Ant Man sequel, whichever's first.

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#59077: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:33:26 PM

Neither the Ancient One nor Dr. Strange is an Avenger. So long as they aren't planning to create a paramilitary organization and defeat the Grey Gargoyle by blowing up the Eiffel Tower or something, I don't think it applies to them.

It is not a Registration Act. Except for some stuff from the TV show that the movies don't give two shits about anyway.

edited 9th Jun '16 12:34:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59078: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:49:18 PM

See that's the thing, I could totally foresee a scenario where most of the fallout is crammed into the Black Panther film, with maybe the Ant Man sequel and Spider-Man film touching on it briefly. And that's kind of what I DON'T want to see. Honestly this movie made me want to see a Black Widow movie even more than I already did, an IM 4, even a Bucky/Falcon team-up film (because their bickering was hilarious), although that last one isn't possible now I guess, etc.

And in regards to GS-G9 being involved, I can see them being called in if some of the victims of the UN bombing were German. We're never told that, but that's my personal handwavey explanation for it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59079: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:53:41 PM

Ant-Man wasn't an Avenger, and he still got in trouble through association. The implication, especially with the existence of the Raft, is that while it starts with the Avengers the government's are going to start cracking down on people like the Avengers worldwide - people who enact big specatular superhero fights that affect large groups of people - it's just that before Strange we had never had a character in the films who was like that on Earth and not (eventually) Avengers related.

It doesn't fit tonally with the atmosphere of Strange's films, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a nod. From what little we see of him in the trailer, Strange seems like the kind of guy who to bring it up. Something like:

  • Strange, pre-initiation: "But what about that business with the UN? Who do you people answer to?"
  • Mordo: *scoff*
  • Ancient One: [vague, sage-like answer about answering to the universe, possibly leading into larger exposition that's more relevant to the plot]

edited 9th Jun '16 12:59:58 PM by KnownUnknown

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#59080: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:59:13 PM

It also depends on the movies between Civil War and Infinity War Part I. Doctor Strange has no stake with the Accords, and we have two movies that aren't even gonna be on Earth. That leaves two movies most likely to address it before Infinity War Part I.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59081: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:01:33 PM

Two movies and the TV shows. I think it is safe to assume that at least Spider-man will address the accords, and Black Panther might too, or at least with the Fall-out of Civil War.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59082: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:03:24 PM

Ant Man got into trouble because he chose to get involved when he didn't have to and pick a fight with the government-sanctioned Avengers, which made him fair game. Ditto on Hawkeye, they seemed perfectly willing to let him stay retired with his family, but he chose to come back. Again, it's why those two trying to blame Tony later on made me want someone to slap them.

And who knows what the Raft was originally intended for. If Marvel would stop killing off most of their villains (really, did Crossbones HAVE to die so quickly, seriously), they could throw some of those characters in there as well.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59083: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:06:04 PM

That interpretation just gives the impression that the government are only interested in controlling those that directly involved themselves with the Avengers, though, which doesn't make any sense. Which is to say that if Ant-Man got into a huge fight of the airport scene's scope with Winter Soldier on his own, he would've been totally fine as long as none of the Avengers showed up.

It's a blank spot that you could drive a truck through.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:07:02 PM by KnownUnknown

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#59084: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:07:02 PM

Ant-Man wasn't an Avenger, and he still got in trouble through association. The implication, especially with the existence of the Raft, is that while it starts with the Avengers the government's are going to start cracking down on people like the Avengers worldwide - people who enact big specatular superhero fights that affect large groups of people - it's just that before Strange we had never had a character in the films who was like that on Earth and not (eventually) Avengers related.

Ant-Man wasn't arrested for having a super-suit. He was arrested for assaulting law enforcement personnel while helping fugitives tear up a U.N. base and steal U.N. property. That's illegal no matter how many powers you have.

So, yes, if Strange walks into Tony Stark's office and starts flinging spells at his face, he is absolutely going to be spending some time on the Raft. Barring that, I doubt the Accords are going to be relevant to his movie.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:08:06 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59085: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:09:16 PM

So if Strange's nemesis - whoever he is - levels half of New York and Strange, while not actually responsible, is still visibly involved we shouldn't expect him to have to worry about the consequences?

That goes against the "everything is different now" tone Civil War was narratively introducing to the MCU as a whole in the first place.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:10:58 PM by KnownUnknown

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#59086: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:09:58 PM

So I wonder if any of the future MCU films are going to cover the idea of secret identities. Most of the other characters dont really have secret identities to be honest, but Spider-Man could be different, especially since he's a teenager in this one.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59087: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:10:33 PM

Wait, what? Ant-man was not present in the UN base, and he didn't steal any property, he was only present at the airport fight. The worst you can pin on him is aiding and abetting as well as property damage.

[up] I guess they go for a "case to case" rule. For the Avengers, secret identities don't make a lot of sense. For Daredevil and Spider-man, they do.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:11:50 PM by Swanpride

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#59088: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:12:11 PM

[up] And assault and battery. Reckless endangerment.

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#59089: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:13:38 PM

So if Strange's nemesis - whoever he is - levels half of New York and Strange, while not actually responsible, is still visibly involved we shouldn't expect him to have to worry about the consequences?

If Strange's nemesis at any point comes close to levelling half of New York, he should have the Avengers down his throat before you can say "overkill". I doubt the scope is going to come anywhere near that, especially since this is a Doctor Strange story; the climax is probably going to take place on the astral plane or some shit.

Wait, what? Ant-man was not present in the UN base, and he didn't steal any property, he was only present at the airport fight. The worst you can pin on him is aiding and abetting as well as property damage.

The airport is part of the Avengers compound which is U.N. property. The Quinjet they stole is owned by the Avengers, who are a U.N. peacekeeping force. And the Avengers themselves, who Ant-Man helped assault, are legally-authorized U.N. peacekeepers. The airport battle is, in and of itself, multiple felonies.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:14:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59090: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:24:40 PM

You know what guys, I'm scared. Like really scared. Cap knocking around Ultron in AOU was cool and all, and now in Civil War they upped the ante by having him beat Iron Man. I am afraid if they will have someone hand Iron Man, Hulk and Thor their asses and then get beat by Cap, Falcon, BP, Hawkeye and Widow with no Macguffin helping them. I am hoping that it won't be so, but since the movies are going just like the comics, I am afraid of that, and also afraid of the Russos becoming the next Jeph Loeb in the comics, once great guy who devolves into a mockery of himself while pandering his favorites.

Psh. We all know Hawkeye is gonna be the one to beat Thanos.

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#59091: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:29:05 PM

  • Thanos: And now, with the complete Infinity Gauntlet, I will rule and/or destroy the entire univ—
  • THOK
  • Thanos: om nom nom What is this amazing taste and texture in my mouth?!
  • Hawkeye: Why, that's nothing more than my special HOSTESS FRUIT PIE ARROW! All the fruit-flavored deliciousness of a Hostess Fruit Pie delivered from up to 300 yards away. It comes in cherry, apple, and lemon!
  • Thanos: This is amazing! Thank you, Hawkeye. Your wonderful projectile treats have shown me the arrow of my ways.

EDIT: That was supposed to be "error" of my ways and I was gonna correct it but it's funnier that way.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:29:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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#59092: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:30:53 PM

Now I'm going to be disappointed if that doesn't happen

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#59094: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:00:26 PM

[up]Like clint hace there, is pretty much "well....fuck"

"I think it is safe to assume that at least Spider-man will address the accords, and Black Panther might too, or at least with the Fall-out of Civil War."

Black panther HAVE to adress the issue, his father the king die in public bombing after trying to do the right thing and Tchalla decide the best course is a Manhunt, that should cause a lot o political unrest aganst him(or favor consider he did take Zemo alive) otherwise Black panther participation is pretty damn pointless

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59095: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:03:30 PM

Heh. Black Panther already stole that trick.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59096: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:09:25 PM

I realized people catching Clint's arrows has become a Running Gag. The only one it ended badly for was Loki.

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#59097: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:11:52 PM

He's supposed to be such a great shot that he all but never misses, so having people dodge or catch his arrows is the workaround to keep every villain from becoming a sinister pincushion.

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#59098: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:19:48 PM

I want to see a sinister pincushion

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#59100: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:21:41 PM

Comics sure are ridiculous sometimes.

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