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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#59026: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:14:00 PM

[up][up][up] That might only matter for any Early Bird Cameos she does (and I do hope they take advantage of the fact Carol Danvers has a backstory that's very friendly to early-bird cameos). If they don't adapt out her time in NASA entirely, there will probably be about a year or so between leaving the Air Force and becoming Captain Marvel.

edited 8th Jun '16 6:15:44 PM by Falrinn

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#59027: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:23:58 PM

I'd probably be okay with the Super Saiyan hair if she visibly powered up before it appeared. I just want Captain Marvel to be like a live action DBZ movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59029: Jun 9th 2016 at 5:24:23 AM

There are a number of vids using this song, but I think this is particularly well-done and covers the whole MCU.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#59030: Jun 9th 2016 at 5:36:52 AM

Fuckin' YES.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#59031: Jun 9th 2016 at 6:43:31 AM

Why would you punch bocaj

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59032: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:14:36 AM

Sharon is also a villain in Luke cage. Meanwhile superpowers hero in a film.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#59033: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:21:21 AM

It's Alfre Woodard who's in Luke Cage.

No one should want to punch Bocaj. Bocaj is the best.

Second of all, never heard of this Stone lady before now but she.. does she look like a Carol Danvers to anyone else?

OH MY GOD IS THAT THE EMH THEME!?

edited 9th Jun '16 7:22:09 AM by MousaThe14

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59034: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:44:10 AM

I doubt she'd playing Carol. Superheroes are very physically intensive roles, and Sharon Stone's getting up there in age. Unlike Robert Downey Jr, the actress playing Captain Marvel won't have a suit of CGI armor behind which to hide their lack of action-doing.

A month back she said her role was small anyway. Apparently everyone assumed it meant she was playing Janet at the time, but the "heat powers" thing makes that unlikely too.

edited 9th Jun '16 7:47:17 AM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59035: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:50:46 AM

Why would you punch bocaj

Pretty strange to bring this up about a page later and all, but mainly because I know him the best here.

I mean, if you're gonna punch someone, might as well punch the guy you know.

Plus, he's chaotic Lulzy. You can't trust those guys. They always have Lulzy plans.

Getting back on topic, if Sharon Stone is playing someone with Heat powers...too old for Forester (and she's a mutant anyway). What other female characters do we know with Heat based powers in the Marvel universe?

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#59036: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:51:41 AM

[up][up]Mousa, Sarcasm Mode, or do you sincerely not know her? I might be showing my age massively here, but she made a huge splash with Basic Instinct two decades ago (and then a different kind of splash with Casino in 1996).

Anyone know any slightly older superheroines or -villainesses with heat powers?

edited 9th Jun '16 7:52:28 AM by hollygoolightly

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#59038: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:59:13 AM

I don't know actors very well. Like my movie geekines extends towards some things but the people playing roles is not one of them.

Also I've just looked at her filmography and I've apprantly only seen two things with her in it, Antz which was when I was a kid and a movie with CGI characters, and Catwoman which is a movie I saw once on cable and forgot.

edited 9th Jun '16 7:59:31 AM by MousaThe14

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#59040: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:11:34 AM

[up][up]I'm pretty sure anyone connected to that movie would like to forget about it, too.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#59041: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:17:22 AM

But since we're on the topic of extradition, what rights are provided to convicted people by the Wakandan government? I'm not very familiar with Wakanda comic book history. And were they even planning on extraditing Bucky, anyway? Wasn't there a shoot-to-kill order issued on him?

Shoot-to-kill is for apprehending. The men sent to bring in Bucky were given orders to shoot him on-sight because the people sending them had absolutely no confidence that Bucky could be apprehended non-lethally. Which is an entirely fair assessment because he's a super-assassin who, so far as anyone in-universe knows, has never been beaten. Even going head to head with Captain America ended with the Winter Soldier escaping and Cap waking up on the shore.

Capturing a person without killing them is really hard. Much harder than killing them. For someone like Bucky who could eat a dozen SWAT teams for breakfast, sending them in to take him alive is sending them to die. The only hope anyone had of apprehending him was to get lucky with a bullet through his skull, so they were sent with a kill order.

Shoot-to-kill does not mean that, should the near-impossible opportunity to take him alive arise, they're to put a bullet in his face anyway. It is not a sentence, it's an approach for the peacekeepers charged with stopping him. If Bucky stepped out with his hands over his head and said, "I surrender," they can still clap him in cuffs and bring him in the easy way. Which is ultimately what happened when War Machine arrived.

But they're under orders to not expect it to be that easy, be prepared for a fight, and use as much force as it takes to win that fight. Stopping the Winter Soldier from killing again is the higher priority.

Since they had him alive, then the question of what is to be done with the prisoner arose and, according to Stark, the answer was that T'Challa has jurisdictional authority over him due to his murder of their king, so Wakanda gets him.

edited 9th Jun '16 8:18:45 AM by TobiasDrake

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#59042: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:31:47 AM

What about the other countries whose leaders were killed? or are we to believe T'Chaka was the only leader killed in that blast?

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#59043: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:33:07 AM

[up][up](Which effectively means the laws in MCU Europe are very different since Germany doesn't extradite people into countries where they are threatened to be executed. But we already knew that, because in RL, German police wouldn't be all over Bucharest, either.)

Thing is, Steve was actually right: he was the only one with a chance to apprehend Bucky with minimum bloodshed, even if he were in Winter Soldier mode again. I mean, obviously Steve didn't get fished out of the Potomac by a mermaid, so he did get through to him at least once. Sending him with the police forces would have been the best course of action, even if he didn't sign the Accords. Send him along as a civilian consultant for heaven's sake.

edited 9th Jun '16 8:37:11 AM by hollygoolightly

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#59044: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:36:34 AM

What about the other countries whose leaders were killed? or are we to believe T'Chaka was the only leader killed in that blast?

It seems that it was only T'Chaka killed by the explosion. Which, I assume, is because all the other leaders were in their seats while T'Chaka was speaking at the podium with his back against the explosion. I'm sure plenty of leaders were injured by the glass shards flying inwards, but T'Chaka was closer to the actual explosion.

Thing is, Steve was actually right: he was the only one with a chance to apprehend Bucky with minimum bloodshed, even if he were in Winter Soldier mode again. I mean, obviously Steve didn't get fished out of the Potomac by a mermaid, so he did get through to him at least once. Sending him with the police forces would have been the best course of action, even if he didn't sign the Accords. Send him along as a civilian consultant for heaven's sake.

That he didn't sign the Accords means he doesn't get to go. That's the entire point of the Accords: you don't get to go to Bucharest and start a big brawl in the middle of traffic if you're not part of the unit.

And the plea that only Steve could possibly handle Bucky would fall on deaf ears anyway. Ross would counterpoint, "You mean like you did in Washington? He beat the shit out of you and disappeared, which is exactly the outcome we're trying to avoid. You had your chance to bring him in, you failed, and now we're cleaning up your mess."

And he'd be right to do so because Steve ultimately failed to bring Bucky in yet again. War Machine got him. Steve's track-record with the Winter Soldier is piss-poor. His claim that only he can do it is undermined by the fact that he provably can't do it.

edited 9th Jun '16 8:42:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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#59045: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:53:02 AM

Wakanda is also supposed to be one of the wealthiest nations on Earth and they're flushed with the most powerful metal on Earth. Even if their king wasn't the only one killed, it'd be rather easy for them to grease some palms to get him extradited there.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59046: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:00:02 AM

[up][up]huh? Steve did get to Bucky without any problem. It was the German special forces and Black Panther who messed everything up. Unlike those who intervened, Bucky wasn't hostile towards Steve's presences.

War Machine has a hell of a lot more weapons, black panther, and the special forces on his side. Yeah if Bucky is cornered by them he will get fought -_-, which is exactly what also happened.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:07:40 AM by FictionWriterKing

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#59047: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:01:48 AM

[up][up][up]At that point in the movie, Steve is the only one who not only survived a one-on-one confrontation with the Winter Soldier, he survived it because he managed to break through the brainwashing and the WS saved him.

And in Bucharest, Steve might actually have convinced Bucky to hand himself in, if it hadn't been for some strange guy in a cat costume who kept attacking him. And he could hardly know that T'Challa would get involved.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:02:22 AM by hollygoolightly

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#59048: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:06:26 AM

At that point in the movie, Steve has engaged the Winter Soldier three times in the past. He has failed to apprehend him on all three occasions. Worse, on the third, he surrendered the fight despite having the upper hand. This proves that not only can he not bring Bucky in, he won't bring Bucky in. Who in their right mind would ever send someone with a track record like that to do it?

If the world doesn't know what happened on the Helicarrier, then Steve lost outright and has a clear 0-3 Win/Loss record against the Winter Soldier. If the world does know what happened on the Helicarrier, then Steve compromised his position and was ready to let the Winter Soldier beat him to death if it meant not having to lift a hand against him. No matter which way you slice it, Steve is the worst candidate to ever send after Bucky.

So, not only is, "I'm the only one who can take him," utter bunk, but he's also too emotionally involved. In fact, he's so emotionally involved that it compromised his ability to apprehend Crossbones and Bucky wasn't even physically present for that. Those people in Lagos died because Cap doesn't think straight when his one true love Bucky's involved.

War Machine, meanwhile, probably got a medal when he nailed Captain America, the Winter Soldier, and Black Panther all at once. I'm sure Ross was very pleased with himself.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:10:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#59049: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:09:26 AM

Steve went after Bucky on his own. He wasn't flowing orders. It was a personal choice for a character who cares most about making our own choices.

You lost me with the past part and Bucky beating him to death.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:11:47 AM by FictionWriterKing

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#59050: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:10:44 AM

Actually we know that Black Widow also survived a confrontation with him as well, she tells us about it in TWS. Granted he did shoot her, but she didn't die obviously.

And as for the bombing, there's a news report that's shown playing that says something along the lines of "hundreds injured, and seventeen confirmed dead, including the King of Wakanda." So perhaps those other sixteen were just ordinary civilians on the street (which feeds into my not buying the "Zemo is a sympathetic villain" notion that so many others seem to have" or perhaps security personal, etc.


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