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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#59001: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:05:46 PM

That process takes a million years, making a trip from Vienna to Moscow is much faster.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59002: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:06:56 PM

RE: Everett Ross: Will Mephisto give him cursed pants in Black Panther?

Honestly, they better.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#59003: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:07:48 PM

Welp.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#59004: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:11:16 PM

That process takes a million years, making a trip from Vienna to Moscow is much faster.

Sure. The extradition, trial, and sentencing would probably take a few years to complete, which means there was absolutely no urgency requiring Cap to keep Bucky away from Stark's Avengers. Had Cap gone right back to the compound after Bucky woke up, he could turn Bucky in, sign the Accords, get debriefed by Stark, grab a thumbs-up from Ross, fly the Avengers out to Siberia, and be back home with Zemo in chains before the desk jockeys even finished the paperwork to check Bucky in.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:11:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59005: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:13:52 PM

Yeah, there's no obligation to have Bucky go to Moscow with them.

Hell, that might have derailed Zemo's plan; when Iron Man learns about the fate of his parents, he might react calmer knowing that Bucky's securely imprisoned back home to be questioned, rather than standing right there a free man, palling around with Steve on his adventure.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#59006: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:14:47 PM

Even if he flips out, having everyone from Hawkeye to the Vision there with him because there wasn't a huge Airport battle would mitigate any damage he could do.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59007: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:16:42 PM

Well, probably not Hawkeye. He only un-retired because there was a schism in the first place and Cap needed support.

But also, he wouldn't be presently dealing with the trauma of his best friend being crippled in said airport battle, so he'd be even less likely to flip out.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:17:43 PM by Anomalocaris20

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#59008: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:16:42 PM

Wow. I'm going to hate this guy.
Heh. You may — we're not sure yet if he's in the Black Panther movie or if the movie will give him his comic personality, which was basically "Chandler Bing in the Marvel Universe, completely and utterly clueless."

Also, he's wearing the Devil's pants.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59009: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:29:32 PM

I think Freeman being signed on for Black Panther was one of the earliest things people found out about him after he was announced. The way they portray him in CW is already a little Gyrich-y, so I'm thinking they might just make him into a Composite Character of the two since Everett Ross's role as Supporting Protagonist in the comics probably won't translate as well to the big screen, which I expect to follow T'Challa's perspective more closely. They'll probably dump him on T'Challa as part of the Accords or something.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:30:57 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59010: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:31:50 PM

They didn't specifically say he was in BP but they did say Ross and Zemo were being introduced in Civil War with plans to spin them off elsewhere. BP is the most obvious place for the former.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59011: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:36:33 PM

He'll probably be a diplomat to Wakanda or something.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#59012: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:51:54 PM

What has the location to do with anything? Bucky is in Germany, not in some third world "who cares about due process" country, he has the right to get a lawyer.

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#59013: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:52:18 PM

Maybe he'll be in Thunderbolts!

  • Ross: They've given me clearance to make my own peacekeeping force, so I'm hiring Zemo, the Abomination, and a few other inmates we've got. They'll be fitted with shock nanites to keep them in line.
  • Tony: That's disturbing and I'm probably going to have to clean up your mess.
  • Ross: Probably! We're calling this team the Thunderbolts, naturally.
  • Tony: I'm compelled to ask why.
  • Ross: ...because of my nickname. Thunderbolt Ross.
  • Senator Ross: You want to run that by me again?
  • Ross: What? Oh, sorry. I keep getting us confused.

What has the location to do with anything? Bucky is in Germany, not in some third world "who cares about due process" country, he has the right to get a lawyer.

Bucky's being temporarily detained at a U.N. facility in Germany while arrangements to be extradited to Wakanda are made. He's not being tried in Germany.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:54:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#59014: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:53:27 PM

'Deadpool': But that was the worst version of the Thunderbolts.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:53:51 PM by Hodor2

mudge Since: May, 2012
#59015: Jun 8th 2016 at 3:17:11 PM

In my opinion, nobody came out of civil war looking very hot. Cap is totally willing to tell the entire world to go to hell if it gets between him and what he wants while also keeping secrets because he thinks he knows best; Tony is busy confining people without even informing them that they are confined, blackmailing minors into battle, trying to murder people in a blind rage and ignoring an agreement that he signed when it gets in his way; and the "legitimate oversight" is content to blatantly dehumanize thor, hulk and wanda, be gigantic hypocrites by hiring Ross, blow off evidence that the person they're witch-hunting is actually innocent and ignoring that one of the people pushing the accords decides that he can run around another country dressed up in a black catsuit taking the law into his own hands, which is supposedly what they're so pissed off about the avengers doing. And that's not mentioning that a single guy managed to run rings around all three of them.

I hope that after Thanos is beaten they're all able to sit down, admit to their respective mistakes and hash out an agreement that everyone can live with.

edited 8th Jun '16 3:31:07 PM by mudge

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#59016: Jun 8th 2016 at 3:38:15 PM

I think there needs to be oversight, but the Accords went about it the wrong way. If the MCU UN is anything like the real world UN, they're often slow and ineffectual, and too susceptible to being kneecapped by certain powerful countries. Plus General Ross is not the sort of person you want to be in charge of anything.

This is exactly my problem with the Accords and with Tony's side in general; it's good in theory but I don't know how well it will work in practice. The Avengers can't go around doing whatever they want with absolutely no oversight and no consequences for collateral damage (and what with them being US based it absolutely REEKS of imperialism to me), but I don't think the Accords is the way to do it. I guess that kind of puts me on Cap's side then? I dunno, I'm more thinking Both Sides Have a Point.

But since we're on the topic of extradition, what rights are provided to convicted people by the Wakandan government? I'm not very familiar with Wakanda comic book history. And were they even planning on extraditing Bucky, anyway? Wasn't there a shoot-to-kill order issued on him?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59017: Jun 8th 2016 at 3:50:04 PM

According to Sharon there was, though they apparently changed their minds towards the end when they just arrested him. As for Wakanda, I don't remember if they ever bring up the justice system in detail at least in Priest's work. When T'Challa outlawed the Jabari tribe they were punished by vigilante fundamentalists rather than tried in any proper court. And the traditionalists use combat in lieu of legal challenges.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#59018: Jun 8th 2016 at 4:01:08 PM

There seems to be an automatic death sentence for murdering high ranking political figures. The current series by Ta-nehisi Coates (which is really great) has a subplot about a young woman who becomes a vigilante after she was sentenced to death for killing a chieftain who was implied to be molesting young girls. T'Challa's mom said while she sympathized with the intent, the laws were very strict about things like that, even if the victim was a scumbag who had it coming.

So if that's the case I can't imagine Bucky would fare any better for killing their damn king.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#59020: Jun 8th 2016 at 4:49:16 PM

I wonder what kind of hairstyle she'll have in the movie. She goes through a fair number of them in the comics.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#59021: Jun 8th 2016 at 5:18:28 PM

I like her cockatoo hair

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#59022: Jun 8th 2016 at 5:48:58 PM

[up][up][up] That's look flattering to Larson

[up][up] Carol's hair is pretty much Depending on the Artist until Kelly Sue's run.

edited 8th Jun '16 5:49:12 PM by shatterstar

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#59023: Jun 8th 2016 at 5:57:26 PM

[up][up][up][up]I like it. The hair might be a bit too long for the Air Force though.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#59024: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:07:16 PM

Any hairstyle is okay long as we get also get the super saiyan mohawk.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59025: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:09:04 PM

No.

I hate that haircut. It never made sense to me, and I will punch the entire internet in the face to prevent it from happening.

The ENTIRE Internet.

That means you too Bocaj!

Edit: Damn my tendency for typos!

edited 8th Jun '16 6:34:42 PM by HandsomeRob

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