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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58951: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:24:20 PM

Nah Thor is too embedded within his culture's blood lust. He can never rise above Asguardain's thirst to stab something in its heart despite what he thinks. On the inside he's still just as a monster as Odin, so I think he would prefer to stick with Cap so he can freely knock around who he deems fit

edited 8th Jun '16 12:25:51 PM by FictionWriterKing

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#58952: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:24:39 PM

Martin Freeman is Ross, what are you talking about?

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58953: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:25:11 PM

Cap Did Nothing Wrong.

[up] There's two Rosses in Civil War, Everett and Thaddeus.

edited 8th Jun '16 12:25:53 PM by higherbrainpattern

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58954: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:25:30 PM

He's Everett Ross.

Who is unrelated to Thunderbolt Ross.

Wait, are they related in the comics?

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#58955: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:26:25 PM

He did steal a car (seriously dude is a GTA addict) and a Quinjet.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58956: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:26:25 PM

no[up][up] the mcu should make them related

edited 8th Jun '16 12:26:56 PM by FictionWriterKing

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#58957: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:27:57 PM

Wait, his character's name is Everett Ross?! Goddammit, that's going to make discussions very confusing.

One Google Search later...he's a Black Panther supporting character.

Priest further elaborated, "Comics are traditionally created by white males for white males. I figured, and I believe rightly, that for Black Panther to succeed, it needed a white male at the center, and that white male had to give voice to the audience's misgivings or apprehensions or assumptions about this character and this book. Ross needed to be un-PC to the point of being borderline racist"; and clarified, "I don't think Ross was racist at all. I just think that his stream of conscious narrative is a window into things I imagine many whites say or at least think when no blacks are around; myths about black culture and behavior.

Wow. I'm going to hate this guy.

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#58958: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:28:00 PM

@Very Melon:the Airport fight happen because Cap go against the acords, that force Tony hand to act, in other time Tny will just belive him and go after Zemo

And no, Tony said that now he is not-combatant there and because of that he didnt bring his suit(the first sign the acords are hurting him) Tony is never to long from his armour...except now

And Cap dosent have to deal with Ross, Tony is, he is bitched by him over and over until the very end, and as other said he is pretty much strawman

Tony have just Vision now as we dont know if Rhoedes can be warmachine again and Peter is out on his own, also the only reason Tony got his dad shield is because Cap give to him, nothing more

edited 8th Jun '16 12:31:00 PM by unknowing

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58959: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:30:05 PM

Okay, I confused Thunderbolt for Everett.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58960: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:30:53 PM

"Priest further elaborated, "Comics are traditionally created by white males for white males. I figured, and I believe rightly, that for Black Panther to succeed, it needed a white male at the center, and that white male had to give voice to the audience's misgivings or apprehensions or assumptions about this character and this book. Ross needed to be un-PC to the point of being borderline racist"; and clarified, "I don't think Ross was racist at all. I just think that his stream of conscious narrative is a window into things I imagine many whites say or at least think when no blacks are around; myths about black culture and behavior."

huh

edited 8th Jun '16 12:35:57 PM by FictionWriterKing

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#58961: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:33:28 PM

That is a lot of words to say "He is The Watson of black culture."

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58962: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:33:34 PM

Nah Thor is too embedded within his culture's blood lust. He can never rise above Asguardain's thirst to stab something in its heart despite what he thinks. On the inside he's still just as a monster as Odin, so I think he would prefer to stick with Cap so he can freely knock around who he deems fit

....

I don't see how you watched the two Thor movies and still came to this conclusion. Hell, Thor was the one arguing against Odin's blind revenge in The Dark World

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58963: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:34:53 PM

up][up]In a way he sort of reminds me of the role Steve Trevor plays to WW. In that, a character that is normally the protagonist is the somewhat bungling sidekick to the character that would normally be the sidekick.

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#58964: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:37:09 PM

Who's Priest? Anyway, Tony didn't have a suit on hand at the signing of the Accords because it would have sent the wrong message. The wristwatch glove was because he's incapable of not carrying gadgets around, presumably.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58965: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:38:55 PM

Christopher Priest is a comic book writer whose run on Black Panther is particularly iconic.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#58966: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:39:46 PM

Wouldn't that discredit the Accord though. Hey if I had my armor I could have stopped a raging assassin.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58967: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:42:06 PM

Despite what Thor thinks about himself, he still can't let go of the savagery Asguardains are known for. He turned down the crown because he considered that blood lust was unhealthly, yet before this realization he still had no problem in ending Malkeith's life, even gratifying in it. During AOU some of his actions were kinda monstrous, which spooked Banner. Right now he puts up a persona to block out the "mad man" attitude Odin had during Dark World.

I'm saying it still exist, which was the point of showing Thor stepping on the girl's toy. He may think he's heroic unlike any other Asguardian, but in reality he's breaking people's lives apart like the rest of his kind has been doing without any regret since its birth. He has immense power that yes he chose to use responsibly, but thus far it's only responsible for the destruction of others. He's trying his hardest to ignore the total annihilation tendencies he has, yet in each film they flare through!

edited 8th Jun '16 12:58:38 PM by FictionWriterKing

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58968: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:49:56 PM

:the Airport fight happen because Cap go against the acords, that force Tony hand to act, in other time Tny will just belive him and go after Zemo

And no, Tony said that now he is not-combatant there and because of that he didnt bring his suit(the first sign the acords are hurting him) Tony is never to long from his armour...except now

And Cap dosent have to deal with Ross, Tony is, he is bitched by him over and over until the very end, and as other said he is pretty much strawman

Tony have just Vision now as we dont know if Rhoedes can be warmachine again and Peter is out on his own, also the only reason Tony got his dad shield is because Cap give to him, nothing more

If the Accords never existed, Cap would have had all the help in the world for stopping Zemo.

I've already talked about the suit thing.

This is really the only point I'll give you.

Tony has the UN in his corner since he signed the Accords. Steve dropped the Shield because of what Tony said to him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58969: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:56:01 PM

[up][up]What exactly did he do in Ultron that was "monstrous?" The worst we saw him do is kill a bunch of Nazis in what was arguably self defense.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#58970: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:59:30 PM

HYDRA is not Nazi in this universe.

edited 8th Jun '16 1:00:19 PM by flameboy21th

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58971: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:04:10 PM

There are two questions here:

1. Is Cap right about the accords?

My Answer: Mostly. He is totally right that this version of the accords is a really bad idea. He is not right that the Avengers should operate with no rulebook whatsoever. We shouldn't forget that there were two fractions out to kill Bucky in this movie, and thr pro-accord one was the most reasonable one (initially), while Black Panther, who is operating pretty much outside of any rules, came close to killing Bucky multiple times.

2. Are all the actions he takes in the movie reasonable?

My Answer: Yes, actually they are. Every decision he makes in the movie is one I would have made too. His big mistake happens before the movie, when he doesn't tell Tony the truth about the way his parents died.

[up] Oh, Hydra is totally Nazi. Ao S is very specific about the point, even though the Hydra members like to deny it.

edited 8th Jun '16 1:05:21 PM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58972: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:04:34 PM

With all due respect, not many people here really care about the Neo-Fascism divide.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#58973: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:06:26 PM

Really, when it comes down it it Thor's at least aware of human social niceties. He's just bad at them.

Still willing to drink with Steve's veteran war buddies, though.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#58974: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:09:24 PM

Let's see:

1. Aided in the Nazi conquest of Europe.
2. Heavily Nazi-coded in dress and speech.
3. Want to establish a global facist state.
4. Interested in scientific 'progress' and the occult as tools to accomplish their goals.
5. Believes ordinary people are incapable of governing themselves.
6. Are literally referred to as Nazis on several occasions.

They're Nazis.

edited 8th Jun '16 1:12:27 PM by Pseudopartition

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#58975: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:10:06 PM

Oh, Hydra is totally Nazi. Ao S is very specific about the point, even though the Hydra members like to deny it.

The movies thus far have been ignoring Agents of SHIELD on its Hydra claims, including the "Hydra's existed for thousands of years as an alien worshipping cult."

Me, I'll believe MCU Hydra are Nazis if they actually get around to the "racial purity" core tenet.

edited 8th Jun '16 1:10:52 PM by Tuckerscreator


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