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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There's two Rosses in Civil War, Everett and Thaddeus.
edited 8th Jun '16 12:25:53 PM by higherbrainpattern
Wait, his character's name is Everett Ross?! Goddammit, that's going to make discussions very confusing.
One Google Search later...he's a Black Panther supporting character.
Wow. I'm going to hate this guy.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@Very Melon:the Airport fight happen because Cap go against the acords, that force Tony hand to act, in other time Tny will just belive him and go after Zemo
And no, Tony said that now he is not-combatant there and because of that he didnt bring his suit(the first sign the acords are hurting him) Tony is never to long from his armour...except now
And Cap dosent have to deal with Ross, Tony is, he is bitched by him over and over until the very end, and as other said he is pretty much strawman
Tony have just Vision now as we dont know if Rhoedes can be warmachine again and Peter is out on his own, also the only reason Tony got his dad shield is because Cap give to him, nothing more
edited 8th Jun '16 12:31:00 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not""Priest further elaborated, "Comics are traditionally created by white males for white males. I figured, and I believe rightly, that for Black Panther to succeed, it needed a white male at the center, and that white male had to give voice to the audience's misgivings or apprehensions or assumptions about this character and this book. Ross needed to be un-PC to the point of being borderline racist"; and clarified, "I don't think Ross was racist at all. I just think that his stream of conscious narrative is a window into things I imagine many whites say or at least think when no blacks are around; myths about black culture and behavior."
huh
edited 8th Jun '16 12:35:57 PM by FictionWriterKing
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I don't see how you watched the two Thor movies and still came to this conclusion. Hell, Thor was the one arguing against Odin's blind revenge in The Dark World
Who's Priest? Anyway, Tony didn't have a suit on hand at the signing of the Accords because it would have sent the wrong message. The wristwatch glove was because he's incapable of not carrying gadgets around, presumably.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.Wouldn't that discredit the Accord though. Hey if I had my armor I could have stopped a raging assassin.
Non Indicative UsernameDespite what Thor thinks about himself, he still can't let go of the savagery Asguardains are known for. He turned down the crown because he considered that blood lust was unhealthly, yet before this realization he still had no problem in ending Malkeith's life, even gratifying in it. During AOU some of his actions were kinda monstrous, which spooked Banner. Right now he puts up a persona to block out the "mad man" attitude Odin had during Dark World.
I'm saying it still exist, which was the point of showing Thor stepping on the girl's toy. He may think he's heroic unlike any other Asguardian, but in reality he's breaking people's lives apart like the rest of his kind has been doing without any regret since its birth. He has immense power that yes he chose to use responsibly, but thus far it's only responsible for the destruction of others. He's trying his hardest to ignore the total annihilation tendencies he has, yet in each film they flare through!
edited 8th Jun '16 12:58:38 PM by FictionWriterKing
And no, Tony said that now he is not-combatant there and because of that he didnt bring his suit(the first sign the acords are hurting him) Tony is never to long from his armour...except now
And Cap dosent have to deal with Ross, Tony is, he is bitched by him over and over until the very end, and as other said he is pretty much strawman
Tony have just Vision now as we dont know if Rhoedes can be warmachine again and Peter is out on his own, also the only reason Tony got his dad shield is because Cap give to him, nothing more
If the Accords never existed, Cap would have had all the help in the world for stopping Zemo.
I've already talked about the suit thing.
This is really the only point I'll give you.
Tony has the UN in his corner since he signed the Accords. Steve dropped the Shield because of what Tony said to him.
HYDRA is not Nazi in this universe.
edited 8th Jun '16 1:00:19 PM by flameboy21th
Non Indicative UsernameThere are two questions here:
1. Is Cap right about the accords?
My Answer: Mostly. He is totally right that this version of the accords is a really bad idea. He is not right that the Avengers should operate with no rulebook whatsoever. We shouldn't forget that there were two fractions out to kill Bucky in this movie, and thr pro-accord one was the most reasonable one (initially), while Black Panther, who is operating pretty much outside of any rules, came close to killing Bucky multiple times.
2. Are all the actions he takes in the movie reasonable?
My Answer: Yes, actually they are. Every decision he makes in the movie is one I would have made too. His big mistake happens before the movie, when he doesn't tell Tony the truth about the way his parents died.
Oh, Hydra is totally Nazi. Ao S is very specific about the point, even though the Hydra members like to deny it.
edited 8th Jun '16 1:05:21 PM by Swanpride
Let's see:
They're Nazis.
edited 8th Jun '16 1:12:27 PM by Pseudopartition
The movies thus far have been ignoring Agents of SHIELD on its Hydra claims, including the "Hydra's existed for thousands of years as an alien worshipping cult."
Me, I'll believe MCU Hydra are Nazis if they actually get around to the "racial purity" core tenet.
edited 8th Jun '16 1:10:52 PM by Tuckerscreator

Nah Thor is too embedded within his culture's blood lust. He can never rise above Asguardain's thirst to stab something in its heart despite what he thinks. On the inside he's still just as a monster as Odin, so I think he would prefer to stick with Cap so he can freely knock around who he deems fit
edited 8th Jun '16 12:25:51 PM by FictionWriterKing