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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58876: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:42:12 AM

Hoo boy, the Thor/Loki shippers are going to scream if that happens. Probably with accusations of queerbaiting getting slung around.

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#58877: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:48:20 AM

While refusing to acknowledge the gross incest?

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58878: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:13:11 AM

Well, they are gods, technically. Incest just comes with the territory. As do genderbending, shapeshifting, and getting pregnant while a horse.

Mythology is frequently awesome.

Speaking of Loki's offspring, does Marvel!Hel come in half-human/half-corpse like her Norse counterpart, or does she look like a "normal" human being?

edited 8th Jun '16 2:18:18 AM by hollygoolightly

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58879: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:20:33 AM

It's totally OK because they're Not Blood Siblings.

[up]Normal usually, and often big breasted. Think she might be skeletal in her lower half or maybe I'm thinking of some other work.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:31:46 AM by AlleyOop

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#58880: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:22:07 AM

No, it isn't. It is just as bad.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58881: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:31:44 AM

ETA: Too early. Not enough caffeine.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:32:35 AM by hollygoolightly

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58882: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:22:16 AM

Hela IS Loki's daughter in the mythology, so there will be uproar from Europe if Marvel DON'T do that plotline. They can explain it away that she is a product of a fling, which is why we haven't heard of her so far. I'm more excited for Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie TBH because now there's a female character that we can actually root for in the Thor movies that isn't Sif.

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#58883: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:00:52 AM

Disney butchered Greek mythology, Marvel turned Thor blonde and called the Asgardians aliens. I don't expect it to be faithful.

If anything Hela may gets adopted like Loki.

edited 8th Jun '16 7:02:44 AM by flameboy21th

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#58884: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:45:35 AM

Hela IS Loki's daughter in the mythology, so there will be uproar from Europe if Marvel DON'T do that plotline

Does anyone in Europe actually give a shit about Norse mythology anymore? If people were that reverent towards Norse myths, I figure they'd have a bigger problem with Americans turning their gods into comic book superheroes in the first place.

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#58885: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:17:49 AM

Let's not forget that Black Widow and Nick Fury were more involved in the decision. Fury may have been unwilling at first, but if he were fully opposed then he could've just refused to give them his access. That chat with Pierce, seeing what he had become, looks like it did a lot of convincing.

He was explicitly only going along with it because he was outvoted and he's not the kind of person to go, "No, f*ck you, I'm going to let the world burn because I'm not getting my way."

He also went behind Cap's back to completely undermine his decision and continue S.H.I.E.L.D. in secret.

I wanna know do he Avengers do press conferences in this universe. It's tradition◊ in◊ the comics◊ but I wonder did they do one to announce Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Hawkeye were gone?

They probably should, but don't. Like, Ross was acting in Civil War as though the Avengers misplaced Thor. They didn't. He went home. They know exactly where he is: Asgard. But to the rest of the world he just disappeared one day.

Disney butchered Greek mythology, Marvel turned Thor blonde and called the Asgardians aliens. I don't expect it to be faithful.

This. After Disney turned the story of Heracles into a fairly decent adaptation of Christian mythology, I see no reason to assume that anyone involved in the production of the MCU cares overmuch about being faithful to the mythology.

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#58886: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:33:06 AM

He was explicitly only going along with it because he was outvoted and he's not the kind of person to go, "No, f*ck you, I'm going to let the world burn because I'm not getting my way."

Unlike a certain captain!

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58887: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:57:37 AM

The problem with Hercules always was and always will be that it butchered the original story without any understanding what it is actually about and then went and sold that as a child-friendly version of the old mythos. With Marvel, all this is a little bit less of an issue because the premise is from the get go "yeah, we plucked that out of the mythology and made it our own". I doubt that many will care how they change the mythology, especially since nobody cared so far, either. I could list all the changes they did so far, but why bother? Let's just say that the family relation in Norse Mythology is a little bit more complicated.

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#58888: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:02:37 AM

Why is it that there's so much anti-Captain America stuff going on around here?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58889: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:05:01 AM

[up] It's just the usual. Some people just feel the need to tear down everything which seems to be too perfect. Plus, there are Tony fans who would do everything to defend him (that's what the whole Wanda hate is about, too, imho). It's annoying, but I guess this was to be expected.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#58890: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:07:15 AM

I mean, to be fair, with Thor, the fact that some of its changes are pretty obvious (particularly, it Doing In the Wizard) would probably get people to realize that this isn't an especially accurate representation.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58891: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:07:42 AM

There's barely anyone posting in the Civil War thread anymore, and most of the people who are have a lot of hate towards Cap.

Speaking of which, shouldn't that thread be locked by now? It's been a month since the movie came out.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58892: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:08:52 AM

There's like, 2 people with actual Captain America hate here. Everyone else that's anti-Cap is just critical of his side.

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#58893: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:09:23 AM

Fair enough, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58894: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:12:31 AM

There's character hate for just about everyone at some point in this thread. It's nothing to get riled up about.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58895: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:28:17 AM

I'm just being a bit too thin skinned, I guess.

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indiana404 Since: May, 2013
#58896: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:42:07 AM

Some people just feel the need to tear down everything which seems to be too perfect.
That strawman might have worked before Civil War, but I'd say Cap's stance does have its objective flaws. If anything, I was behind him all the way before, seeing how he was just a decent guy who volunteered and served with distinction. Here, however, he's doing the exact same thing he admonished Tony for - making unilateral decisions, even after his mistakes have caused harm. He may be properly paranoid given the HYDRA situation, but factor in Bucky, and it's more like he's letting his personal agenda affect his judgment. And then there's him lying to Tony, which isn't perfect by any definition of the word.

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#58897: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:45:08 AM

It's a bit of gray and grey morality. I'm not defending Cap's flaws in there despite me agreeing with some of his stance. On the same token, I'm not defending Tony's flaws either, even though I find myself agreeing with bits of his stance a bit more than I do with Cap's.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58898: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:45:47 AM

To comment on mythology, the very first Thor comic was a sci-fi tale about some white guy a doctor who found a stick, turned into what was essentially an avatar, and kicked the shit out of a bunch of aliens.

And let's not forget Thor and Loki being raised as brothers, the central relationship between them in both the comics and films, being complete bullshit. Loki actually has more of a bond to Odin than anyone else, and it's kinda confusing as fuck.

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#58899: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:48:14 AM

If I recall correctly, the myths have Thor and Loki go on a lot of adventures together as a sort of brain and brawn team.

Then again, my knowledge of Norse mythology is shite. I prefer Greek and Egyptian mythology.

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#58900: Jun 8th 2016 at 9:54:57 AM

For the record, I'm allowed to criticize the character and their decisions without it being hate or me being just jelly or contrarian.

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