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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58751: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:00:57 PM

I have it on good authority that Darcy Lewis is the main character in Infinity Wars. [nja]

I don't mind Steve/Sharon, but want Sharon to be a supporting character in the Black Widow movie (or wherever else it seems appropriate), so she can do things with people other than Steve (same goes for Sam and Bucky, but with them it's evidently happening, so I wish it mostly for her). Bruce/Natasha was very Suddenly, Love! for me. And I got really irritated at Bruce faceplanting in Nat's boobs, that was some very deep and clever storytelling there, Whedon. Other than that, eh, whatever. Seems everyone is ignoring it, anyway.

edited 7th Jun '16 12:04:57 PM by hollygoolightly

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#58752: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:05:21 PM

I kind of just wish romance were gutted from everything. Then again, I don't really like romance in general.

My beef isn't with romance so much as shipping. I've always that I want all ships to be more like the Titanic.tongue

No matter whether it's a heterosexual relationship or a homosexual relationship, people get really crazy with shipping, seeing anything and everything characters do as absolute proof of their chosen relationship, using it as an excuse to bash other characters because they are somehow in the way, and other bullshit.

And writers are kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't as well. If they don't bother with the romance, the crazier shippers will do exactly this, and take over everything. If they do try a romance arc, then said shippers will go crazy....and do exactly what they'd do if there was no romance arc anyway.

That being said, I think the former idea is better. Don't get crazy with romance. You can't help what the fans do, so just write what makes sense for them, and get ready for the storm.

I don't care about the kiss myself. It lead to Wingman Bucky and Sam, which is far more important to me.

So in short shipping is dumb. Vote Handsome Rob.

One Strip! One Strip!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58753: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:07:10 PM

The obvious protagonist of Infinity War is Howard the Duck.

Plot twist: the MCU is actually the longest and most expensive Robot Chicken sketch ever made.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#58754: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:08:18 PM

The Bruce/Natasha ship never bothered me because it wasn't true love or anything. It barely left port. It fell apart at the end because Bruce and Nat had different priorities.

A lot of people complained that the ship didn't make sense? They were right. And that's why it didn't work out.

It was an intentional shipwreck.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#58755: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:08:42 PM

[up][up]

Never mind my post. Vote for this guy.[tup]

Edit: Dammit Bocaj! I almost convinced people to vote for you! Don't [nja] me like that again.

edited 7th Jun '16 12:09:19 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58756: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:10:57 PM

I don't the point in hating the act of shipping. That's just something fans do in their free time.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58757: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:11:22 PM

-votes for Bocaj anyways because Bocaj is awesome-

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#58758: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:14:58 PM

I just really hate Ruffalo's portrayal of the Hulk in general. The ship made it worse because it was affecting Black Widow, a character I actually do like.

Oissu!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58759: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:17:25 PM

U WOT, M8?!?

Ruffalo is best Hulk.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#58760: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:23:23 PM

Ruffalo Hulk is just a Jerkass to me and goes against a lot of the characterization of Norton Hulk. Not all his fault, obviously the writers wanted a different direction, but I don't like it. That's all.

Oissu!
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58761: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:25:39 PM

Infinity Protagonist: Howard the Duck it is!

Sam and Bucky were definitely the best thing about the kiss, and one of the best dynamics in the movie, period. Especially when they took time out of pestering each other to snark about Spidey. Sam generally had great moments, though. "So you like cats?" to T'Challa was one of my favourite quotes.

Shipping: I don't get it, but as long as people don't get aggressive about it, I don't mind? I do admit it sometimes gets a little tiring when you, say, enjoy the relationships Steve has with Sam and Bucky, and get endless discussions where people try to prove that Steve is either moving on from his relationship with Bucky to be with Sam, or that his relationship with Sam is much less important!!!11Eleventy than the one with Bucky. To me, that seems to put a pretty narrow focus on the kinds of relationships Steve has in the movies.

edited 7th Jun '16 12:26:16 PM by hollygoolightly

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#58762: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:30:06 PM

[up][up] Was there any?

Crow: There's a plot?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58763: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:31:26 PM

Nah you guys, Infinity War is clearly going to star a recasted Jane Foster. That's why she's sitting Ragnarok out.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#58764: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:32:11 PM

[up][up]Was there any what?

Oissu!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#58765: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:33:58 PM

Bruce/Natasha is bottom of the barrel for me. Worst MCU romance anywhere.

I'd say it's middling.

  • Jessica/Luke - All of the yes!
  • Tony/Pepper - Great!
  • Clint/Laura - Also great!
  • Matt/Elektra - It has its downs but they're kinda the point. I can get behind the tragedy of this romance.
  • Bruce/Natasha - Not great, but not terrible.
  • Peter/Gamora - ...is...is this a thing that's happening? I'm not really sure if this is a thing that's happening. I hope not.
  • Scott/Hope - Well, that came right the f*ck out of nowhere.
  • Steve/Sharon - Came right the f*ck out of nowhere and is super creepy to boot!
  • Matt/Karen - This ship is terrible and would be the thing that drags Dare Devil down if it wasn't happening alongside the horrendous The Hand subplot.
  • Thor/Jane - Our prayers to Odin were finally answered when this ship was allowed to die.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#58766: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:34:06 PM

I think he was implying Norton Hulk was a bland character, i.e there wasn't much characterization to contradict.

I didn't care for either Hulk tbh, but I also haven't seen TIH in years so my opinion might change if i see it again.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58767: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:35:28 PM

The Bruce/Natasha ship never bothered me because it wasn't true love or anything."

It was infatuation. Natasha felt a giddy rush of warmth when socializing with Bruce because he offered what no other man has: kindness - Hulk aside, there is generosity deep inside the scientist that she never experienced from these other men. His appearance, his income, his intelligence, and his big life accomplishments didn't matter in contrast to his apptidue to not seek out violence or abuse it. However, because Hulk is a part of him he could not perform an act of kindness towards her. The result? She said fuck it and went on with life.

A one time thing. Natasha thought she could get away with something she never had. For Natasha that kinda sucks since she was trained to and learned to be dominant.

Infatuation is not love. Sidenote: if two people kiss that doesn't automatically mean they are in love people. Romance isn't written like that!

edited 7th Jun '16 12:43:10 PM by FictionWriterKing

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#58768: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:37:03 PM

I'd say it's middling. LIST

Yes. I basically agree with this.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58769: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:37:45 PM

@phisat how is Rufalo Hulk a jerk?

@Tobias I think the cifcumstances if Jessica and Luke's hook up kind of loses it points for me.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58770: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:38:25 PM

Eh, opinions are opinions and all. I certainly don't find it middling but if you did, more power to you.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#58771: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:39:40 PM

I was going to make a crack about Jessica/Kilgrave being universally agreed to be the MCU's greatest OTP, but even as a joke, the idea is so offensive that basically the only people who would actually find it funny are people who laugh at rape jokes, so I refrained.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#58772: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:39:41 PM

I saw Norton Hulk as a forcibly timid Woobie and felt bad for him the whole movie. I don't really care what happens to Ruffalo Hulk because he's a jerk ass. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

edited 7th Jun '16 12:40:04 PM by PhiSat

Oissu!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58773: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:42:32 PM

Okay bit could you maybe provide examples of what specifically make you think he's a jerkass please?

And I got really irritated at Bruce faceplanting in Nat's boobs, that was some very deep and clever storytelling there, Whedon.

Wait when did this happen?

edited 7th Jun '16 12:44:05 PM by windleopard

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58774: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:43:55 PM

But Rufflo can do the puppy eyes and wimper

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#58775: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:46:18 PM

The way he talks to everyone. The way he snaps at Black Widow in both Avengers and Ao U, and how he gets so pissed off whenever the Hulk is mentioned. Falling asleep when Tony is trying desperately to get some stuff off his chest. Yes, there are contextual reasons for his behaviour but compared to Norton's portrayal he comes off as having taken several levels in jerkass offscreen for no reason to me.

Oissu!

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