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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#58726: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:04:32 AM

I mean, off the top of my head the only interaction I remember them having was Widow turning on BP and Tasing him to let Cap get away.

(...and later on having the gall to get snippy at Tony when he calls her out on it, but that's a rant for another day)

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58727: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:09:51 AM

Alan Silvestri is composing the score for Infinity War.

That's awesome. Will we get the return of the Captain America theme?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58728: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:10:48 AM

@comicwriter

That's how I see it too. A mix of the actresses' wishes but also says something about the way their characters are utilized in the plot. In contrast, any romance between two heroes whoever they would be would probably last longer, because so far most of the love interests have been fairly disposable to the MCU at large, outside of Peggy who got a life of her own as head of SHIELD.

[up] Probably, since the Russos implied Cap was basically the main protagonist of Infinity War. Though the Taking A Stand leitmotif is probably my favorite in the whole MCU, so I'd like to see Jackman and Taylor contribute a little.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:16:20 AM by AlleyOop

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58729: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:14:39 AM

[up] It's more like whether or not the writers can squeeze out an action scene with the LI that determined their disposability and their romance outcome. Hulk/Widow is an exception because no one like that ship, comic and casual fans. Atleast Steve/Sharon received support from comic fans.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:15:59 AM by shatterstar

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58730: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:23:24 AM

....Cap and Peggy never dated. They kissed once and that was it. Then Cap was frozen for 70 years. And people are somehow forgetting that Steve was attracted to Sharon in The Winter Soldier before he knew she was Sharon.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58731: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:24:59 AM

I think we can all agree that it's a better relationship than Bruce/Natasha.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58732: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:26:59 AM

[up][up] yeah, but it's still just... weird.

Or rather it's weird that he doesn't think it's weird.

'Well that girl I was carrying a torch for just died. Oh the girl I've formed a pseudo romance with is her blood relative? This in no way impacts the emotional trajectory we were on.'

edited 7th Jun '16 11:27:08 AM by thatindiantroper

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#58733: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:27:30 AM

[up][up]I dont mind Natasha and Bruce, except that moment in Clint house, that was awkard as hell, really clunky dialogue

edited 7th Jun '16 11:28:03 AM by unknowing

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Funny but not helpful
#58734: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:27:57 AM

[up][up][up] You don't speak for me.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:28:08 AM by Bocaj

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58735: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:32:44 AM

Bruce/Natasha is bottom of the barrel for me. Worst MCU romance anywhere.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58736: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:34:44 AM

It's more like whether or not the writers can squeeze out an action scene with the LI that determined their disposability and their romance outcome.

Again, I don't think so. Portman was having issues with Marvel way back in Thor 2, and like I said recently, Paltrow was talking about how she felt she was getting too old for these movies way back when Age of Ultron was beginning production. Had Paltrow wanted to I'm sure they could have given her a cameo in Civil War.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:35:13 AM by comicwriter

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#58737: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:35:04 AM

Even if Cap and Peggy never officially dated, there's a reason why Peggy took a year to get over his death and why Cap visited her again and again when reunited in the modern day.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58738: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:36:30 AM

Cap and Peggy never dated. They kissed once and that was it. Then Cap was frozen for 70 years. And people are somehow forgetting that Steve was attracted to Sharon in The Winter Soldier before he knew she was Sharon.

That's because nobody remembers Sharon. She was in WS for like 5 minutes. Peggy meanwhile was a major character who was then spun off into a TV show and a bunch of other film appearances. There's a reason people latched onto her and not Sharon.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58739: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:38:42 AM

Even if Cap might've had a thing for Sharon beforehand (and due to the circumstances of their previous interactions, it's hard to say) she was so dispensable to the film that most people outside of the ones who were already predisposed to Steve/Sharon to begin with forget who she even was.

And while I don't blame the writers entirely because CW was so stuffed as it is, introducing Sharon in her very first scene in this film as Peggy's niece is a very poor narrative decision. That combined with the way the entire relationship was timed and framed makes it hard not to see Sharon as a pseudo-incestuous Replacement Goldfish of some sort, that he only committed to going after because he found out she was related to Peggy, which is really creepy. As an Intended Audience Reaction it would be interesting since this movie is supposed to showcase Steve's darker side, but I highly doubt that's the case.

I'm flexible enough to accept Cap/Sharon even though it's not one of my preferred pairings as long as it's executed right, which, it... wasn't.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:46:53 AM by AlleyOop

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#58740: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:42:24 AM

For me the worste relation ship would be ether hope/scott by virtue of not chemestry and how paifully generic Scott is or Thor and Jane by virtue of Thor being ken with hammer, Bruce and Natasha could work with better writing at best

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#58741: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:46:12 AM

I still believe that Hope and Scott made out specifically to mess with Hank.

They may be physically attracted to each other but primary motivation is to mess with the old man.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58742: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:46:33 AM

they don't do much to build upon her character, and the very first thing they introduce her as is Peggy's niece, a questionable narrative decision.
Nope, the very first thing the Russos do is introduce Sharon as a member of a CIA terrorism taskforce, who acts as a staunch ally to Steve and Sam, and helps them to locate Bucky. Then, Peggy dies and that's when the "reveal" happens.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:47:56 AM by higherbrainpattern

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#58743: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:47:42 AM

Probably, since the Russos implied Cap was basically the main protagonist of Infinity War

ughhhhhhhhh

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58744: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:50:12 AM

If it makes Ninety angry, then I'm happy. :P

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58745: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:50:13 AM

[up][up][up]

Wrong order. Peggy's death happens towards the beginning of the film. After the funeral they go to Berlin/Vienna (I forget which), Cap talks to her about Peggy near the elevator and then leans in for an interrupted kiss, then the terrorist attack happens and Sharon helps him find Bucky.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:53:21 AM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58746: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:51:07 AM

I'm pretty sure they already confirmed Rocket Raccoon is the protagonist.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58747: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:52:32 AM

I could've sworn they said it was Stilt-Man.

edited 7th Jun '16 11:52:48 AM by VeryMelon

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58748: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:53:26 AM

I thought it was Leap Frog?

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58749: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:53:53 AM

[up][up] Silt Man, Marvel's little known river mud based superhero.

Edit: Okay so did you catch the typo or did I just misread it?

edited 7th Jun '16 11:54:30 AM by thatindiantroper

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love

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