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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#58676: Jun 7th 2016 at 6:22:20 AM

The same can be said for every Cap and Bucky's on screen appearance

That's a funny way of spelling "every Cap and Sam's on screen appearance." tongue

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#58677: Jun 7th 2016 at 6:40:45 AM

The only solution is an OT3.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#58678: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:07:02 AM

Yes! SamSteveBucky is the ultimate ship.

edited 7th Jun '16 7:07:24 AM by DeathsApprentice

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#58679: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:44:08 AM

Still makes more sense than the Sharon kiss.

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#58680: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:04:23 AM

The problem with her imprisonment for Civil War is that it's not for the right reasons.

Sure, it is. She was in "assaulted law enforcement officials, destroyed U.N. property, and facilitated the theft of military technology" jail.

Still makes more sense than the Sharon kiss.

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#58681: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:09:30 AM

Also assisting 3 fugitives, assaulting the Avengers and the King of Wakabnda.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:10:08 AM by flameboy21th

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#58682: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:10:50 AM

I had no idea people got so bent out of shape over the Sharon kiss. These days I feel like the notion of just mutual attraction without it having to be twu wuv is alien to most fandoms. Then again, maybe the nine million Stucky shippers wouldn't have been fond of it regardless.

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#58683: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:12:18 AM

#GiveCaptainAmericaTwoBoyfriends #AndMakeThemSamAndBucky

edited 7th Jun '16 8:13:11 AM by DeathsApprentice

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#58684: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:12:55 AM

The Avengers were the law enforcement officials I was referring to. They're a legal authority now. The airport battle wasn't "Two sides of the paramilitary group butting heads with each other," it was a group of fugitives fighting the peacekeepers designated to bring them in.

This is precisely why Wanda and the like are in prison for their side of the fight but Vision isn't, even though he caused the most collateral damage when he knocked over that towerListen! : because Vision had a legal right to use force in that battle and Wanda didn't.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:14:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#58685: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:14:17 AM

@Ninety, I'm tired of shoehorned forced romances that don't make sense and have little basis behind it I get enough of that in literally everything. In a just world romance would be excised from 90% of media.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:14:37 AM by MousaThe14

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58686: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:14:33 AM

That's gonna be awkward with two of them competing over Steve's attention though. Steve/Sam/Scott or Steve/Bucky/Scott would probably hurt less feelings.

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#58688: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:22:16 AM

[up][up][up] I feel that. I think most things would be improved if romance wasn't considered something so important it needs to be shoehorned in. Though, surprisingly, the Staron kiss didn't bother me. Mostly because of Sam and Bucky's reactions.

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58689: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:26:58 AM

So, does anyone familiar with Wong in the comic? Does he have any magic power or is just a normal "manservant".

[up] I think most of the romance was shoehorned in to shot down any of the slash ships involving the male characters. Not that it's effective and the "bland LI" became The Scrappy in the fandom instead.

[down][down] I'm not talking about Marvel in particular (although in the case of Strange, this is probably the reason with McAdam's character), but most bland romances in general. Marvel is usually just does that out of respect for the source material (Jane, Betty, Pepper, Peggy etc.)

edited 7th Jun '16 8:38:14 AM by shatterstar

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#58690: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:28:14 AM

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#58691: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:30:59 AM

[up][up] ...that explanation always confused me. Why exactly would Marvel care enough about slash ships to have a kiss to shut them down? If anything, I think Sharon was the LI just because she was his LI in the comics.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58692: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:38:13 AM

Yeah, in the grand scheme of things I really cannot imagine shippers are that huge of a potential problem. What likely happened is they wanted Sharon to be the li because she's Cap's iconic li in the comics. But in a movie like Civil War where there are approximately 8 billion superheroes, it got lost in the shuffle.

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#58693: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:40:01 AM

There's like 12. 10 of which have had previous films to set up their characters.

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#58694: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:41:57 AM

It's not without precedent. Way back in the day, Batgirl and Batwoman were originally introduced for the purpose of discouraging claims that Batman and Robin were gay.

Detractors of the Sharon Kiss see it as basically the same principle. Sharon dropped off everyone's stuff and Cap went, "Thanks for the stuff. Here, let me take a moment to CLEARLY AND UNMISTAKABLY REAFFIRM MY HETEROSEXUALITY, THIS IS TOTES CANON YOU GUYS. Okay, good, now f*ck off, the movie doesn't need you anymore. I'm going back to my sausage party."

edited 7th Jun '16 8:42:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#58695: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:46:58 AM

[up][up]And that's a lot of characters, many of whom more or less disappeared from the film by the end of the second act.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58696: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:52:20 AM

[up][up] I... doubt they actually care that much. They put in the bland romances because well that's just what you do in action films i guess.

Paradisesnake Since: Mar, 2012
#58697: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:04:32 AM

[up][up][up] There is a precedent for it, yes, but Cap already had that thing going on with Peggy so making him kiss Sharon doesn't really prove anything that hasn't been proved already.

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#58698: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:11:58 AM

Sure, it does. Peggy's dead. She hasn't been his love interest since the first Cap movie. In a film that revolves so heavily around the manly relationships that manly men have with other men - one where Cap's entire character arc revolves around his endless and unyielding love for his manly manfriend for whom he would go anywhere and do anything for - it makes perfect sense that the same writers who've been so reluctant to give us much female, minority, or LGBT representation would throw in a brief, out-of-nowhere Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today? moment.

For a film where even people who haven't seen the previous ones are describing the characters with phrases like, "the gay robot arm guy" or talking about how Bucky is clearly the Love Interest, it makes perfect sense to me that Marvel's staff would have tried to counteract the romantic connotations to Cap and Bucky's relationship in the film by shoehorning the kiss. Bucky is Cap's Damsel in Distress and that comes with certain implications that they didn't want attached to the film. Thus, Sharon.

So, they kiss. It's awkward and comes out of nowhere and is never brought up again - and neither does she because she f*cks off immediately afterwards, having fulfilled her only purpose for being in the movie: making it absolutely clear that Cap is totes heterosexual and still heterosexual and he would never be in love with Bucky because he's so heterosexual.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:18:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#58699: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:18:59 AM

Because obviously there are No Bisexuals, according to Marvel.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:19:33 AM by PhiSat

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#58700: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:20:50 AM

Reminds me of how Peggy was suddenly in a love triangle in the second season of Agent Carter

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