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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
So... the original plan is to basically let Sharon be the Ben Reilly to Peggy's Peter Parker?
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I feel like that more of a joke rather than something seriously considered.
edited 5th Jun '16 12:41:20 PM by shatterstar
I don't think that Sharon is like Peggy exactly because of those lines. They clarified the biggest difference between them: Peggy was a trailblazer. Sharon on the other hand had to live up to a legacy her whole life. Her perspective on everything, including Steve, is inherently different, as is her character. Peggy was a lot of things, but playing politics was never something she did particularly well. She was way too direct for that. Sharon on the other hand is very good in reading people and situations and positioning herself on the right side while still knowing exactly when it is better to shut up and when the moment to act and/or bail comes. Take Winter Soldier. She called out Pierce on the reasons for the manhunt on Steve from the get-go, but she also stuck around and laid low until the moment to act came, and then she immediately secured herself a spot at the CIA. He behaviour in Civil War is very similar, helping Cap from the background.
Haley Atwell's fake accents are amazing btw.
edited 5th Jun '16 12:43:03 PM by Swanpride
Starting from the assumption that the Sharon/Steve romance was going to happen in Civil War, I think a best way to handle it would of been for them to already be dating at the start of the movie, and make it clear that Steve didn't know that she was related to Peggy when they first went out (maybe have Steve jokingly give Natasha a hard time about her setting him up with his ex-girlfriend's niece, revealing that she didn't know either with her response).
That would remove the bulk of the creep factor. And everyone involved can just shrug and awknowlage "yeah it's a little weird, but we are just rolling with it".
Then it's just a case of revealing what happened to her at the end of the movie since she was left in an ambiguous state. While there are plenty of ways to do it, I would of given Stan Lee a different cameo and then had Sharon Carter be the one to deliver Steve's message (in disguise, but one that Tony sees through but doesn't directly acknowledge out loud) to Tony at the end of the movie.
edited 5th Jun '16 2:49:03 PM by Falrinn
Starting from the assumption that the Sharon/Steve romance was going to happen in Civil War, I think a best way to handle it would of been for them to already be dating at the start of the movie, and make it clear that Steve didn't know that she was related to Peggy when they first went out (maybe have Steve jokingly give Natasha a hard time about her setting him up with his ex-girlfriend's niece, revealing that she didn't know either with her response).
Maybe they were dating post-Winter Soldier, albeit with Sharon still calling herself "Kate", and that, what surprised Steve in London was that, when "Sharon Carter" was called up to give an eulogy, "Kate" came up, outing herself as Sharon.
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I was thinking something more like a completely different hairstyle and wearing a pair of dark sunglasses, but I like your idea better.
Though seriously, they really should of revealed what happened to Sharon. Something as simple as her being in the scene with Steve in Wakanda would of been enough. She wouldn't of had to say or do anything, just awkwardly standing around in the background would of been enough for me.
edited 5th Jun '16 5:58:13 PM by Falrinn
That's probably accurate.
I actually think the main reason they had Pepper and Tony break up off-screen was because they were tired up coming up with an excuse for why Pepper isn't in a movie every time Tony is.
Now they easily can bring Pepper back when and if they have a cool storyline for her, but they won't have to concoct a new excuse if she doesn't show up in Spider-Man: Homecoming, where Tony is already slated to appear in.
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Yeah, well, maybe I'd buy Pepper being there. But there's no indication that Sharon and Steve remained in contact and they weren't even really friends ergo she wouldn't have anything to do there, Betty is a Meta-Forgotten character that Bruce apparently had no interest in looking up (as he had been in the public eye for at least three years when Ao U happened, so he wasn't a fugitive anymore therefore wouldn't have a reason to keep away from her), and Jane... well, she might be able to go to an Avengers party, but seriously, if I never see that character in a movie again it'd be too soon.
edited 5th Jun '16 10:39:13 PM by ExplosiveLion
If they had to go for Cap/Sharon, I think they did it as well as possible. For one, I like what I have seen of Sharon so far, she feels like a very interesting character and I wouldn't mind to see more of her (hence why I really want this Black Widow Spy movie with her as supporting character). And two, I think it was important that Steve was interested in her before he knew who she really was, but it is equally important that she doesn't start a relationship with him without telling him the truth. He deserved to know beforehand.
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You're forgetting one simple thing: pregnancy.
Whedon's gone on record to have wanted Jane to make a cameo in Avengers, but couldn't because Natalie Portman was pregnant at the time. And from what I've heard, Hope's lack of appearance in Civil War is also due to Evangeline Lilly being pregnant.
That's why I just said IF they were going to suddenly push the romance in CW out of nowhere, they should have had her show up in a cameo at the party to at least explain she and Steve were dating. It'd be jarring but less so than what we ended up with.
That just highlights the issue of there being way more male superheroes than female ones. It makes logical sense for Falcon and War Machine to show up in various situations, but less so for someone like Jane.
One of several. The other big one is they said they felt it'd be disrespectful to have the Wasp's big, long-awaited cinematic debut happen in a movie where she'd be overshadowed by the likes of Black Panther and Spider-Man, particularly since her role was planned to be small from the get go. (No pun intended)
edited 6th Jun '16 8:03:11 AM by comicwriter

I mean, even Civil War had her basically say she worries she's just going to be a lesser Peggy. It basically sabotaged itself, unless her character arc deals with her concerns that everyone around her including Cap just sees her as Peggy 2.0, a la Lyle Dylandy from Gundam 00. At least it's still less creepy than the original plans to literally have Sharon played by Haley Atwell in a blonde wig and fake American accent.
edited 5th Jun '16 12:30:38 PM by AlleyOop