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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58501: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:05:25 PM

The X-men make no sense in the continuity the MCU has established. I think it's too late to add them at this point. The Inhumans are a decent enough substitute.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58502: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:08:05 PM

I'm way too invested in the FOX-Men setting to want to see the rights revert.

If there was a cross over, it could be a multiverse cross over, plenty of people have visiting other universes as powers, and the Flash/Supergirl cross over proves that it can work for a general audience.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58503: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:14:44 PM

[up]That's pretty much the only way I'd be okay with an MCU X-men movie.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58504: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:16:28 PM

Unless they recast Wolverine, I doubt Hugh Jackman will be back for it.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58505: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:29:15 PM

You say that like they won't. There's no way they won't recast him. Wolverine is too much of a money maker.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58506: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:29:59 PM

If the rights revert back to Marvel, I would prefer them keep X-men into their own universe because I feel like they work better that way to avoid bringing up too many Fridge Logic like with Supergirl and the Flash TV show. Some crossover can occur with dimensional travel shenanigan, of course.

edited 4th Jun '16 1:30:44 PM by shatterstar

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58507: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:32:13 PM

I had an idea that maybe bioweapons targeting Mutants are dropped in the FOX-Men verse, so the cast evacuate to the MCU.

edited 4th Jun '16 1:33:56 PM by Whowho

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58508: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:35:31 PM

Even though I'm opposed to bringing the X-men in it would be interesting seeing Wanda interact with X-men Pietro.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58509: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:39:14 PM

The FOX X-Men universe itself is already pretty damn convoluted, can't imagine Marvel trying to work it wholesale into the MCU without everyone losing their minds.

And I still don't understand why it'd be so hard to have mutants in the MCU. They're already treating the Inhumans/Gifted basically the same way.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58510: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:44:13 PM

[up] Because the X-men comics tend to portray the Avengers and especially SHIELD very unsympathetic because apparently there is no good authority figure that is not Professor X in the X-men comics.

Edit: [down], [up] And then there's the fact that the threat that every single X-men books face tend to be skewed heavily on the sci-fi apocalyptic side of things as oppose to the "smaller" threat and tone of the MCU so far.

edited 4th Jun '16 1:48:06 PM by shatterstar

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58511: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:44:24 PM

The issue is that Inhumans are a secret society that kept themselves hidden from humanity. Mutants have been around and out in the open for decades. It would contradict stuff like the pre-Avengers movies which make it clear that superheroes and powered people are a new concept for society.

[up]There's also that. The bigotry the Mutants face doesn't make sense given the way the other heroes of the world are treated.

edited 4th Jun '16 1:44:58 PM by Kostya

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58512: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:04:48 PM

[up] The first point is only a problem if you try to keep the Fox universe wholesale. Naturally, it'd make sense to reboot the entire thing, having them "hide in plain sight" like the Inhumans, but without the "secret society" angle, at least until Xavier forms the X-Men.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#58513: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:23:47 PM

Couldn't they just smash the universes together 'in universe' and just have everyone go "hey look, these other guys are here now"? Isn't that kind of what they just did in the comics?

I mean, they almost definitely wouldn't, but it would theoretically be possible.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#58514: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:57:37 PM

They got away with that in comics because of Early-Installment Weirdness, and because comics are printed much faster than movies are made.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58515: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:02:38 PM

Comics were also strictly marketed to children who didn't care about those things. The MCU is family friendly but its target demographic skews older so ideally it would be held to a higher standard.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58516: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:12:01 PM

The medium doesn't really support that kind of carefree attitude, due to of how long it takes to make the movies (thus leading to a lower output in comparison) and the fact that you only have so much time in each movie (thus limiting how much progress you can make in-universe). There's also the fact that such an attitude goes completely against the slow and meticulous process that the MCU has benefited from so far.

edited 4th Jun '16 4:12:36 PM by Watchtower

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#58517: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:24:14 PM

I didn't mean 'early days of comics' I meant the whole Secret Wars 2015 thing (disclaimer: I haven't read it because I'm too poor to buy individual issues of anything, and none of the trade paperbacks are in at my library yet). Or what the CW's probably doing with Supergirl next season. But yeah, I get your point.

edited 4th Jun '16 4:34:15 PM by Pseudopartition

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#58518: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:42:42 PM

[lol] Best in a while.

edited 4th Jun '16 4:44:02 PM by yellowturtle

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58519: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:45:36 PM

[up][up] The MCU as a whole is trying very hard to remain consistent with its continuity and avoid retcon as whole. That's why I support the X-men being their own universe but is done with in house Marvel style and creative team because they're the ones that understood the characters best and won't try to shove Wolverine down our throat (much, he is still their most bankable character after all).

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#58520: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:45:57 PM

Edit: NVM

edited 4th Jun '16 4:46:46 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58521: Jun 4th 2016 at 4:47:49 PM

I used past tense for a reason. Now they're for older audiences but Silver Age comics were made for children.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58522: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:05:37 PM

Having just come back from seeing Apocalypse I actually enjoyed it more than DOFP despite its various problems. And I'm of the belief that the XU and MCU stay apart except for Intercontinuity Crossovers.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58523: Jun 5th 2016 at 3:24:15 AM

I prefer the X-men in their own little universe. I am not happy with what Fox does with them, but I also think that we get the best scenario we can get. I know that a lot of comic book fans would love to see everything crossing over, but I always felt that a crossover needs to be a good fit to work. Otherwise they belong into the realm of fanfiction.

Thus said, what I would love is that in the far, far future, when the MCU has come to some sort of conclusion, the rights revert back and Marvel focusses on the X-men for a while and tell what would have happened if Mutants had existed. Just think about it, if we assume the first mutants became "public" sometimes during WW 1, and "normal" humans had decided that superpowered people are too much of a threat, they would have never created a Supersoldier program. Not just our history can be influenced by X-men, the fictional universe of the MCU could, too, if the focus is no longer on creating superpowers, but containing them. And in this scenario, a crossover in which the X-men world encounters the Avengers verse in some sort of interdimensional travel would actually be very interesting....

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58524: Jun 5th 2016 at 3:57:37 AM

X men verse is too fucked up to be in the MCU. Fox waisted several characters who could have greatly contributed and impacted plot lines/chacaters' lives in the MCU if it were to happen. Secondly, its own continuity is too convoluted to be placed in anywhere else.

Now F4 yes use universal travel.

edited 5th Jun '16 3:59:02 AM by FictionWriterKing

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58525: Jun 5th 2016 at 4:16:29 AM

I want the F4 properties back in the MCU so badly...if there is any story which would be perfect for Marvel doing a full-blown tragedy, it is the origin story of the Silver Surfer.


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