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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58476: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:11:02 AM

[up][up]actually I think that was Smite

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58477: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:15:09 AM

Nevertheless, a lot of conservatives of multiple different stripes would get very upset that you implied other faiths than theirs had any legitimacy.
It's also the fact that you are implying that the various Gods are merely facades for something else, so that "God" isn't really god.

Also, God and Allah are just two different names for the same deity, so that doesn't really make any sense anyway.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58478: Jun 4th 2016 at 6:29:05 AM

The line could work if the entity says they've had many different names and rattles a few off. It would probably still offend someone though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58479: Jun 4th 2016 at 7:05:39 AM

Can we get these two panels adapted into Spider-Man: Homecoming?

Still hoping the Thanoscopter appears in Infinity War.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#58480: Jun 4th 2016 at 9:02:55 AM

[up][up]So like Apocalypse?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#58481: Jun 4th 2016 at 9:26:00 AM

Cap, Bucky, and Falcon really want the X-Men to be next to show up in the MCU.

Ok, you can argue that that's a pipe-dream at best, but really, really, think about it.

  • Evidently, not everyone's liking X-Men: Apocalypse (which I wasn't expecting, I thought everyone would be loving it like it was the next DOFP). Some are even saying that it's kinda got the same issues Batman v Superman had with being "too dark" or something. And internationally speaking, it's apparently not doing so hot...
  • Infinity War is still a ways from coming. A lot can happen between now and when the Infinity War movies come up.
  • And bear in mind, the Infinity Gauntlet, to the best of my knowledge, can screw with the very fabric of time and space and reality itself. What if Infinty War, Part 2 has Thanos screwing the MCU so much, that the Avengers will have to mesh with another universe to save it? Like a certain universe that didn't have any Avengers in the first place and had these living beings called "Mutants"?

Sure, it could be a headache to establish that mutants have been around since the 60's or earlier, but what if they establish mutants as a recent discovery, like with the Inhumans?

Food for thought. tongue

edited 4th Jun '16 9:27:10 AM by TargetmasterJoe

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58482: Jun 4th 2016 at 9:27:29 AM

No. I want my Deadpool sequel and rated R Wolverine film first.

And X-Men Apocalypse was not that bad. It's just pretty average with a lot of good and a lot of bad.

edited 4th Jun '16 9:28:02 AM by AdricDePsycho

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58483: Jun 4th 2016 at 9:47:10 AM

Looked it up and it was Krishna in the newest SMT.

Anyway Apocalypse is still doing well enough (and decent enough) that I don't think we're going to see a rights reversion any time soon. We might get an intermittent Intercontinuity Crossover from time to time though.

edited 4th Jun '16 9:49:25 AM by AlleyOop

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58484: Jun 4th 2016 at 9:57:07 AM

I mean, technically, Vishnu exists in the Marvel universe anyway.

Huh, odd. Also they got some stuff wrong. Shiva and Brahma aren't his brothers.

Servbot Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#58485: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:08:29 AM

Checking Cinemascore, Apocalypse got a solid A- from the movie-going audience (For comparison against recent superhero movies, Deadpool and Civil War both got As, while Bv S got a B). With Audience interest still there, I doubt Fox will be letting go of the X-Men anytime soon (especially since they've already got their own Superhero universe in place and Deadpool had just shown them the viability of solo movies not starring Wolverine)

edited 4th Jun '16 10:09:06 AM by Servbot

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#58486: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:09:32 AM

To be honest I still think the X-Men movies kinda suck, so I'm not interested in seeing them cross over with the MCU.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#58487: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:12:33 AM

The current continuity of X-Men clashes badly with MCU (what with Wanda and Peter/Pietro) so X-Men needs a reboot to fit in.

And the MCU has enough work juggling the Avengers already, another team with a shit ton of characters may be too much.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58488: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:14:15 AM

[up][up] There was never any fucking chance that they'd let go. Any one who thought they would was delusional. Even if Apocalypse WAS bad that'd still bring the total number of bad X-films up to 3.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58489: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:15:43 AM

It's still better than The Last Stand, at any rate.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58490: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:16:27 AM

6[up]Shiva, Vishnu, and Braham are all male Daevas related by blood who reside in the pocket dimension known as Nirvana, which can be entered by anyone else capable of freeing their lust, anger, and suffering. Daevas are called by different nsmes; for example Braham is Berahma in Malya, while in Thai he is Phra Phrom. Unlike almost every other pantheon, humans still worship them.

Nirvana is adjacent to Earth. Someone built it on the small planetary object located on Mount Keri.

The detIls here are not historically accurate because of creative choice.

Marvel once owned Conan, so Hyborian gods existed. There are other gods worshiped on Earth by Psyklop's people called dark gods. They aren't based on real world mythology, being Lovecraftian in nature. God's for the 80s are also made up. They reflect iconic trends that went on during the 80s, such as arcades. Astros is God of the Arcade and swit justice. You have to give him a coin.

edited 4th Jun '16 10:42:18 AM by FictionWriterKing

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#58491: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:34:13 AM

[up][up]

Being better than the last stand is so easy that I honestly don't think it counts.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58492: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:44:07 AM

I found the last stand more entertaining and developed than XMA. XMA is Wolverine bad

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58493: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:48:09 AM

Nothing can match Origins bad. I'd take X-Men Apocalypse over it any day.

I mean, to compare: The Last Stand has some good in it (Kelsey Grammer as Beast, Vinnie Jones as the Juggernaut, the scenes with Angel and his dad, some of the action was actually good), but the stupid stuff is too much and outweighs it. Apocalypse has a 50-50 ratio of good and bad that makes it average out.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58494: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:24:08 AM

The atmosphere is too dull for me to enjoy. It doesn't have a distinctive voice beyond explosive, which comes from you know who in a way I can't take seriously.

edited 4th Jun '16 11:24:34 AM by FictionWriterKing

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58495: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:26:47 AM

Still better than Origins and The Last Stand.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#58496: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:29:56 AM

I doubt the X-Men rights will revert. I haven't seen Apocalypse, so I can't speak for its quality (I think I'll wait for the DVD), but it hardly seems to be the utter bomb that Fant4stic was.

edited 4th Jun '16 11:38:47 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58497: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:30:43 AM

Not even X-Men Origins could be as bad as Fant 4 Stic. At least Origins had Liev Schrieber going for it.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58499: Jun 4th 2016 at 12:05:50 PM

At this point, the X-Men franchise is so entrenched that it would take a series of bad films to put the rights at risk. Granted, XMA seems to have knocked whatever strong wind it had going for it following DOFP, but it'd still take at least 2 more bombs before we can really come back to this.

Now, whether or not Deadpool counts in that streak is another matter entirely, because while it's technically part of the franchise it's so separated as to practically be its own thing.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58500: Jun 4th 2016 at 12:22:23 PM

Deadpool is getting a sequel, I know that, and I'm anticipating it. I'm also excited for the Rated R Wolverine film they're doing.

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