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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#58451: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:46:42 PM

I would love to see a Moon Knight Netflix series though it might be hard to have the 'voices in his head' shtick play out in live action without seeming a bit silly. Hercules would be fun too, it would be cool to have him interact with Thor.

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:49:22 PM by jakobitis

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58452: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:47:58 PM

Marvel has a history of making Superman expies. Blue Marvel is one of them as well.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58453: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:49:45 PM

Let's not forget the time they turned Mar-vell into a Captain Marvel expy by having him and Rick Jones swap constantly.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#58454: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:50:07 PM

As well as all the multiple versions of Hyperion.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58455: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:53:02 PM

Isn't Carol herself kind of considered sort of an expy of both Superman and Wonder Woman at times?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58456: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:55:27 PM

Traditionally no, but they seem to be trying to make her into one.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58457: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:56:33 PM

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I feel incredibly dumb for never making that connection before.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#58458: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:58:03 PM

[up][up][up][up]Ah, yes, that's the guy. Hyperion. It'd be a nice change to have an antagonist that's not necessarily villainous, only a Well Intentioned Extremist. Like Injustice Superman, only more interesting and whose motivations aren't as petty and nonsensical. Of course, we have to get someone who can actually write such a guy, because these kind of characters tend to be either hammy as shit and unbelievable or totally bland.

The Sentry could work too, though he has been consistently heroic, unlike Hyperion, who seems to miss the point of being a superhero. Constantly.

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:59:45 PM by ExplosiveLion

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58459: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:01:49 PM

Isn't Carol herself kind of considered sort of an expy of both Superman and Wonder Woman at times?

Not so much Superman, but Marvel has been pushing her heavily as their Wonder Woman recently, but that's more in role. The more direct Wonder Woman Expy is an obscure heroine named Warrior Woman.

To me, if Ms. Marvel keeps up with her recent popularity (I mean Kamala Khan) then there's probability of a movie being made. Maybe Miles Morales and Nova too, eventually, but I'm really hoping for a Ms. Marvel movie being made in the near future.

Ms. Marvel is a shoe-in. She and Miles are the most successful new characters Marvel has had in years, and they're already beginning to put her in cartoons and video games. I would be very shocked if Phase 4 doesn't have either a Ms. Marvel movie, or a supporting role in a Captain Marvel sequel.

She, Nova, and the Runaways are some of the few remaining properties Marvel has that are fairly primed for movies.

edited 3rd Jun '16 4:03:49 PM by comicwriter

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58460: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:05:42 PM

I'd be shocked if Kamala Khan isn't in Captain Marvel in some way. It seems like the perfect time to introduce her.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#58461: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:30:18 PM

When you talk about Hyperion, you've always got to be mindful of which one. Mostly they do end up antagonistic (because being expies of the competition's biggest/second biggest character is always likely to end up with said expy being beaten up) but you have the well meaning but misguided anti-heroic Hyperions (yeah, more than one of them) and then outright villainous ones like 'King' Hyperion. And then there's the Hyperion Hickman introduced who was at least at first a genuine hero (I didn't follow that all the way through so no idea what happened to him in the end.)

In all versions he's probably the most blatant of all the many Superman expies at Marvel and in my opinion kind of makes the Sentry pretty redundant as power-wise they are very similar (before Sentry ended up with Molecule Man's shtick as well/instead) and did the hero or villain thing first... and frankly, better.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
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Funny but not helpful
#58462: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:35:26 PM

Isn't Blue Marvel one of the better Superman expies?

In that he has a lot more than that going on?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#58463: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:40:47 PM

He definitely seems to go more for the Science Hero route, at least more than Superman does nowadays (I think maybe he didn't some Kryptonian stuff back in the Silver Age or something?).

There's also how 1960's racism affects his backstory.

And he has kids.

edited 3rd Jun '16 4:42:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#58464: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:45:17 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, I mostly mean the misguided Hyperion, though he could go downright villainous and either be killed off, imprisoned or make a Heel-Face Turn.

Maybe he could work as a recurring antagonist for Captain Marvel, a la Loki, with some other villain as the main threat.

edited 3rd Jun '16 4:49:51 PM by ExplosiveLion

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58465: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:50:38 PM

"TMNT"s Shredder Actors Says Namor Is His Dream Role. I could definitely see Brian Tee as Namor, although I do like Daniel Dae Kim, too.

Spinosegnosaurus77 Ramen Fairy from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#58467: Jun 3rd 2016 at 5:01:23 PM

I thought it was decent.

I liked the wall training scene.

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#58469: Jun 3rd 2016 at 7:10:18 PM

Back to the idea of TOAA in the MCU, it'd be cool if he served as the basis of every supreme being in every religion. Hell, we could get an exchange like this:

Tony Stark: Every religion has its own God. Islam has Allah, Hindus have Vishnu, and of course Christians have God. So which God are you?
The One-Above-All: Which God am I? All of them.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58470: Jun 3rd 2016 at 8:56:28 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure many people would see that as blasphemous, though.

I mean, technically, Vishnu exists in the Marvel universe anyway.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58471: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:08:40 PM

I'm pretty sure that's part of the reason they went with the "Asgardians are aliens, not actual gods" thing.

edited 3rd Jun '16 9:08:50 PM by comicwriter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#58472: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:15:40 PM

Can we get these two panels adapted into Spider-Man: Homecoming?

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#58473: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:17:12 PM

[up][up][up]I got this idea from perennial philosophy, which is the idea of a universal truth behind all religions. Look it up.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:17:57 PM by superboy313

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58474: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:27:00 PM

Nevertheless, a lot of conservatives of multiple different stripes would get very upset that you implied other faiths than theirs had any legitimacy. Recently Vishnu showed up as a character in some video game, I think it was Shin Megami Tensei or Persona, and there was some anger about it.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58475: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:26:57 AM

[up] Huh who got angry over that? The franchise has all deities, including a jerk ass YHVH. That's like getting angry at Amsrcian Gods.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:54:48 AM by FictionWriterKing


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