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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58426: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:41:09 PM

Well what characters could be racelifted to be Latino or Asian?

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58427: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:42:49 PM

I really regret sometimes that the majority of our superhero obsessed culture is beholden to what was progressive in the 60s.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58428: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:44:18 PM

[up][up] Namor is a good candidate. A lot of artists already portray him as looking Asian, maybe even stereotypically so. It wouldn't be hard to buy an Asian actor playing him as comics-accurate. Also I don't think the Atlanteans necessarily line up to one specific real-world race so they have a lot of breadth with casting ethnicities for the character. If they make him half-human rather than pure Atlantean his backstory as the son of a man named Mckenzie could easily be changed to a more appropriate ethnicity as necessary.

As for canon Latin@ characters there's the various White Tigers if Black Panther doesn't get to him first, as well as Echo. She's deaf so that would definitely be an interesting thing to portray.

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:54:08 PM by AlleyOop

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#58429: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:45:01 PM

Echo could work in Netflix, come to think of it. Maybe have her appear in Daredevil.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58430: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:46:27 PM

Master Izo warrants extended screen time while the rest are almost similar to Kirigi, who doesn't speak. People like Master Izo require the same dedication Stick was given. I don't call Cossbones interesting. His persona was badass and alarming (so was Nobu's), while Pierce, a direct, primary antagonist given a face, had a tiny fraction of personalty and actions not associated with how evil he was. However, the Russo brothers are not writing Daredevil nor have anything to do with Netflix. Genrealzing how those characters were handled with the entirety of a single crazy magical ninja cult is weird. The Hand isn't about getting to know its single members on a personal level because they are well flat in the same style as Synder's Superman, but the one trait they are known for is at least driven forward in contrast to being restrained.

The way The Hand seems to be set up is based on its objective more than the people who run it. For now they are a horde of ninjas who would go to hell and back for something magical, while the "true" leaders range anywhere from a business man to a warrior who believes in the power aspect Yamato-Damashii. We just weren't given much information on the Hand's objective, which intruded upon other plot threads. The Hand exist for world building something new into the MCU instead of new people we will talk about for years to come. Unless season 3 changes something, we aren't going to know them in deeper, nuanced details.

Now contrast any Hand, including future ones, to the upcoming Colleen Wing and I will tell you now there will be a huge difference; one feels three dimensional. Yet they both rely on that "all Asians know martial arts" clichie.

Yes, Echo automatically makes sense with Daredevil because she is one of his lovers. Plus she would accommodate his disability.

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:09:25 PM by FictionWriterKing

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58431: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:46:50 PM

[up][up][up]Danie Dae Kim has been my Namor fancast forever.

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:47:02 PM by comicwriter

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#58432: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:52:44 PM

@Tobias: Oh, okay, that makes sense. So I guess the only acceptable way to resolve the problem is to rewrite the Ancient One character to make it less stereotypical, which, frankly, Marvel should have been able to do if they'd dedicated more effort and not taken the "easy" way out by casting a white person. :/

And to cast a Tibetan actor to play him. Tibetan, specifically. Japanese/Korean/Some other vaguely Asian ethnicity if Tibetan isn't available, but absolutely NOT Chinese. As Cargill points out, casting a Chinese actress to play a Tibetan character at this point in time would be making a very unpleasant political statement whether it's intended or not.

It would be taking China's side on the Tibetan genocide and declaring to the world, "Tibet is fundamentally Chinese now, and not a property of their own."

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:54:50 PM by TobiasDrake

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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#58433: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:07:01 PM

Which wouldn't have surprised me, given how the international community seems to love ignoring what was done to Tibet in order to not upset China.

Sorry. I'll get off that soapbox now.

Literally all anyone ever needed to do to sell me on America Chavez as a character was show me this panel.

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#58434: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:09:08 PM

[up]

OK, I love that character now. I wanna see her in something immediately.

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#58435: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:12:09 PM

She and Kate Bishop went on a pizza quest during Secret Wars.

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#58436: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:13:00 PM

Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask: if they use Kate Bishop, where should she be introduced?

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#58437: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:13:14 PM

The international community ignores what happened to the Native Americans too. A lot of lives have been lost and a lot of cultures wiped out by assimilation by foreign powers. Tibet was gobbled up by China fifty years ago. To much of that world, that makes it history rather than an unjust occupation.

Also, America Chavez is awesome and we should totally get her. In addition to being minority representation of the racial variety, she's also gay.

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:15:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58438: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:16:57 PM

Speaking of Native Americans, what do you think of a Red Wolf solo film? Unfortunately the character has a lot of stereotypical Magical Native American traits, but he could be modernized into a sheriff or reservation administrator, and as far as genre diversification goes it could be a modern-style Western/crime thriller. They can tie it into the MCU by having it so the villains are powered by Kree/HYDRA/AIM/whatever tech or be an Early-Bird Cameo.

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:18:12 PM by AlleyOop

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#58439: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:18:47 PM

[up][up][up] Maybe in a Netflix Hawkeye series? She and Clint could work together like in Fraction's run of Hawkeye.

[up] I don't know that much about Red Wolf, but he sounds like a good addition to the MCU.

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:20:40 PM by DeathsApprentice

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58440: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:23:05 PM

Kate Bishop would be tough because the easiest place would be a Hawkeye solo project...which probably won't happen anytime soon.

Young Avengers is the next most obvious but I don't think that'll be for a while.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58441: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:30:21 PM

The only thing I've read with Red Wolf in it personally was the Marvel 1872 miniseries which was pretty good. Anyway while representation is rarely a sufficient reason to justify to execs why a particular franchise should be made, I do think the possible genre diversification would be beneficial. Alternatively they could make it a Netflix series as well since it probably will be a lot more grounded.

It would also be a way to bring up the various issues Native Americans face such as human trafficking, worries of culture loss, and so without being too anvilicious. For example the villains may be kidnapping local women to assist in their plans, and Red Wolf is the reservation's go-to man for investigating these kind of crimes, since it's hard to get the feds or whatever government officials are normally responsible for administering justice to do anything about it. They could also use the issues of culture loss to help contextualize Red Wolf's own Magical Native American-y powers without being too stereotypical.

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:36:49 PM by AlleyOop

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#58442: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:31:43 PM

Which Red Wolf would they use? There's a lot of them, apparently.

Of course, they could do what they did with Deathlok and make a new character using the Red Wolf name.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#58443: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:34:50 PM

@The Tibet discussion, they could also hire an East Indian actor. India and Tibet are adjacent to each other and it would avoid making a political point since they so desperately want to do that.

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#58444: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:36:26 PM

My thought is that Kate Bishop would best be served by a show, probably Netflix. Clint would be a supporting cast member and mentor. Sort of on the run because of Civil War.

Marvel probably doesn't want to do that because Arrow even though the approaches would be different.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58445: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:38:57 PM

[nja]'d

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:39:10 PM by AlleyOop

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#58446: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:43:31 PM

A Kate Bishop "Hawkeye" series could introduce people like America Chavez for hopeful spinoff reasons.

Maybe a mix of the first and second half of the Fraction Hawkeye book. Kate as a kind of bored rich girl hero for hire.

Living off her family's money up until the point when she gets cut off because she realized her dad was a big ol' criminal.

Hawkeye shows up to confront her about taking his name and then just kind of goes 'well whatever' and sticks around to be a mentor.

It'd have to be adapted differently but maybe even the scene where smol Kate is a snot to the Matador/reasonable equivalent.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58447: Jun 3rd 2016 at 2:45:44 PM

Someone pointed out with Hulk, Doctor Strange, and now Valkyrie and Namor, Marvel has most of the original Defenders. It'd be funny if there's a Mythology Gag at some point.

edited 3rd Jun '16 2:48:55 PM by comicwriter

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58448: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:10:56 PM

Atlanteans = origin of vampire. BLADE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Dr. Strange... Darkhold... Namor BOOOOM

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:12:55 PM by FictionWriterKing

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#58449: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:29:32 PM

smileAre there any Mexican or mixed-mexican characters (specifically heroes) in the Marvel Universe? I can't seem to remember even one.

Also, I have a question to you guys. Y'all name a lot of heroes, but most of them are kinda obscure or not really big. What character do you think Marvel would most probably do next? Seeing as we already got most of the heavy hitters in movies, I don't think there's a lot more to choose from, and sooner or later Marvel will have to take a chance with unknown (to the general public) heroes.

To me, if Ms. Marvel keeps up with her recent popularity (I mean Kamala Khan) then there's probability of a movie being made. Maybe Miles Morales and Nova too, eventually, but I'm really hoping for a Ms. Marvel movie being made in the near future.

Also, what's the name of the Superman expy guy who thinks he's a hero and most of the time ends up as an antagonist (if not a straight up villain)? You know, the guy with the sun symbol. He'd make an interesting antagonist.

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:33:11 PM by ExplosiveLion

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58450: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:44:01 PM

That would be The Sentry. He's not very well-liked and most people don't seem interested in writing him either, except as a side character in teamup books.

Anyway as far as lead heroes go, of the characters who haven't already been mentioned there's also Moon Knight, the Runaways, and Hercules.

edited 3rd Jun '16 3:44:51 PM by AlleyOop


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