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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58376: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:49:35 PM

There are black Latinos. That gets left out of a lot of those discussions.

I doubt Zendaya is White Tiger though. What would White Tiger be doing in a Spider-Man movie?

edited 3rd Jun '16 12:50:16 PM by comicwriter

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#58377: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:49:58 PM

But is Zendaya one?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58378: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:49:59 PM

Whoops, my bad. I thought I read somewhere that Zendaya was Latina.

[up] Apparently not.

edited 3rd Jun '16 12:51:20 PM by AlleyOop

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#58380: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:53:10 PM

That's the thing for me. I don't want them to cast a black person with no Latino heritage and say "oh, well the character is black Latino".

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58381: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:55:29 PM

Okay? I didn't say they should. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

As for Ghost Rider, you'd have to wait a bit to get to the latino ones

You actually don't. His origin is fairly far removed from the previous Ghost Riders. If the adaptation did make them more connected, you could still just fanwank it away by saying there have been many Ghost Riders throughout history, and Robbie is just the newest one.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58382: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:56:07 PM

Gina Rodriguez (not that she's going to play someone in the MCU, but she definitely should) is Afro-Latino.

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#58384: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:57:57 PM

[up] That would be awesome.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
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#58386: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:04:44 PM

[up][up]I just really want her in the movies.

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#58387: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:05:46 PM

And as I said before, like with the "Uh, we might get gay people down the line", it's a nice smokescreen answer. He's not gonna come right out and say it. I'm sure people at Marvel were very annoyed that the writer bluntly said "Yeah, it's because of China." Nobody wants to actually be seen admitting that, just like they aren't gonna admit lack of LGBT characters in he movie is because of the Chinese market too. They're very image conscious, and those two are much more appealing-sounding (though not very) than the ugly truth.

We already know why LGBT, female, and POC characters have been marginalized in the MCU. His name is Ike Perlmutter and, until recently, he's had complete creative control over the MCU. Blaming China because there's no Black Widow movie and because Stucky hasn't happened yet is just further conflation of issues. More angry gibberish.

The fact remains that Cargill had nothing to do with Swinton's casting and Feige did. Cargill may have had awkward Tibet relations in mind when he wrote the script, but he wasn't involved in the casting call. His role in the film ended when he turned over the script to Feige. He speaks for himself, not for the studio as a whole.

And like I said previously, if they were worried Asian martial arts master was racist, we wouldn't be getting Colleen Wing in Iron Fist.

Colleen Wing is a woman. The Asian Kung Fu Master stereotype is predominately male. There was never a huge craze surrounding Jacqueline Chan or Bryce Lee.

Besides, as anyone who's seen Dare Devil Season Two can attest, the Netflix showrunners are entirely willing to depict all Asians as one-dimensional Evil Magic Ninjas because they're a very different group of people than those running the films.

The latter half of Dare Devil S2 was incredibly racist towards Asian people and has received a great deal of scorn for it already.

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:09:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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#58388: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:09:43 PM

Couldn't they have just added a bunch of people of different races to the Hand? Like, make it multicultural or something.

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#58389: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:10:58 PM

[up][up][up] Same here. She's awesome!

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58390: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:11:51 PM

[up][up][up]Good thing I never mentioned Stucky or Black Widow then, huh?

Again, I'll believe it when I see it. Like I said, I doubt a big corproration is going to own up to that and admit, which is why I put no stock in Feige's answer.

Colleen Wing is a woman. The Asian Kung Fu Master stereotype is predominately male.

Then they could've made Ancient One a Chinese woman then, right? Since Cargill has no idea what he's talking about?wink

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:14:04 PM by comicwriter

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#58391: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:13:57 PM

What exactly has this character done?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58393: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:14:19 PM

Well it's not like Daredevil didn't already have McNinjas with Stick and so on.

[up][up][up] Seriously, if the Ancient One was played by an older Asian woman that would've been a huge aversion of Magical Asian stereotypes right there.

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:16:06 PM by AlleyOop

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#58394: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:15:47 PM

@Adric De Psycho: Read some Young Avengers comics if you can: America Chavez is fantastic.

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#58396: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:16:56 PM

Here, lemme save y'all some clickbait: it's not true.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58398: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:17:56 PM

>first word is DEBUNKED In bright red caps

Ahaha!

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#58399: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:19:04 PM

Anyways, who is this America Chavez and what have they done that's made them recognized as being "awesome"? I'm kinda too broke to buy comics.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58400: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:19:58 PM

[up][up]Nope, I heard it from my source. Totally true.

[up]Been cool mostly.

edited 3rd Jun '16 1:20:14 PM by comicwriter


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