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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58301: Jun 3rd 2016 at 1:56:09 AM

In addition to Katee Sackhoff, I've heard Yvonne Strahovsky suggested for the role of Carol Danvers. I liked her in Chuck but that and the Mass Effect games are all I've seen of her.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#58302: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:55:23 AM

[up][up] Yeah, but how are they gonna wedge him into the MCU?

Obviously they can't say he's a mutant because Fox pretty much owns that word when it comes to Marvel movies. ...Unless this is part of some elaborate and crazy plan to bring mutants into the MCU so they have something else to use after the time and space shenanigans that the Infinity War movies will inevitably have...

(Realizes he's rambling.)

...Would anyone be mad if they changed Namor into an Inhuman? (Nervous grin)

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58303: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:25:27 AM

At this point I don't think they even need to explain what Namor is. He could just be this weird super creature from the ocean

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#58304: Jun 3rd 2016 at 6:01:07 AM

Namor being a mutant is a retcon anyway.

edited 3rd Jun '16 4:31:37 PM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58305: Jun 3rd 2016 at 6:51:25 AM

So, does anyone see a good fan-made poster with Brie Larson as Carol? Most of the images I see so far look really awkward and unappealing to Brie.

Anyway, I'm kind of curious how Ant-man & the Wasp would proceed, given that Scott is on the run now. Would the franchise focus on getting Janet back from the Microverse while Scott contributing in secret?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58306: Jun 3rd 2016 at 6:59:36 AM

Yeah, but how are they gonna wedge him into the MCU?

The same way they wedged Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Spider-Man?

Though the two never became enemies until the whole Dark Avengers thing. As far as I know, before that, they'd never crossed paths.

That could always be changed for the movies.

edited 3rd Jun '16 7:03:45 AM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#58307: Jun 3rd 2016 at 7:28:50 AM

[up][up]

Ant-Man and The Wasp is set after Infinity War: Part 1, so my guess is that anyone who is on the run at the end of Civil War, Scott Lang included, will be pardoned due to the events of Infinity War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58308: Jun 3rd 2016 at 7:49:20 AM

Can't arrest what you can't see.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#58309: Jun 3rd 2016 at 7:50:39 AM

Well if they bring in Daredevil...

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58310: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:32:45 AM

If anyone could laugh off the events of Civil War, it's Scott Lang. He could legitimately live in Cassy's doll house until it all blows over

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#58311: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:39:50 AM

I believe Stark Tech can build scanners for that, assuming he is willing to cooperate.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#58312: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:45:46 AM

He's not willing to cooperate. As soon as Ross said "Hey I think these guys are escaping" He pressed the ignore button. Were it not for the Bucky and Zemo thing half the crew would've probably been on the Accords anyway. He's probably willing to just go over them and try to have them cleared after some time has passed to allow things to blow over.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58313: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:24:36 AM

So when is new info on Dr strange coming out?

I think ant man and Wasp should go cyberpunk by shrinking down into computer space. Anyway the director has to resolve the Hydra/Ten Ring plot thread. I believe Wasp has been searching for that guy since AM. If someone chooses they can have Ross remember Scott was imprisoned in the Raft, so he means "trouble"

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:35:33 AM by FictionWriterKing

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58314: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:32:02 AM

So when is new info on Dr strange coming out?

Sometime in the next year. That much is certain.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58315: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:38:11 AM

It's scheduled for November 4, 2016.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58316: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:50:35 AM

It's been speculated Marvel may make a return to SDCC this year.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58318: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:36:06 AM

Ugh, not this again...

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58320: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:42:01 AM

That Idris Elba statement has been Quote Mined and blown out of proportion. He was referring to the harness in one of the scenes he had to play being a pain in the ass, but aside from that hasn't made any mention of the studios mistreating him or having problems with his role. Also it misrepresents the pay issues with Terrence Howard (people might disagree with the outcome, but the circumstances weren't unreasonable). If there's anything relating to Howard's treatment that actually deserves to be called racist it would be Perlmutter's supposed comments on how audiences being dumb enough to confuse him for Don Cheadle, not that.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:52:08 AM by AlleyOop

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58321: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:42:21 AM

The whole divide between the TV side and movie side of Marvel that makes me freak out all the damn time.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#58322: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:51:07 AM

The article has some fair criticisms but there are a few points that I think are questionable.

It does seem apparent Marvel is about ugly compromise at this point; "We can let you write a show about a woman, but you can't have a film... and we won't acknowledge her story in our films."

While I understand the sentiment, it's disingenuous to imply that this is out of some desire to not compromise the MCU's "straight male whiteness" because Marvel has made the (honestly sensible) decision not to overly reference the TV shows in their movies. A lot less people watch them, and in the case of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, the audiences for those shows are a lot more restricted. Jessica being a woman has very little to do with her story not being referenced in the films.

The fans are losing interest and patience with this franchise,

Which fans?

I'm trying not to underestimate the number of people displeased with the various representation, creative control, and writing issues in Marvel films over the years, but I also can't help but feel a lot of people don't really care about these kinds of social issues and just want to see a movie they find fun. The article seems to imply Marvel is in some kind of danger (although maybe I'm reading too much into it) but I don't see that being the case. I don't see Marvel's success dropping off unless they make movies that fail to entertain or catch on with audiences for a while, which I find unlikely given their track record thus far.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:59:28 AM by wehrmacht

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58323: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:52:15 AM

It's another typical doomsaying article like the ones from Cracked.com

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58324: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:56:30 AM

According to the article, Marvel Studios is openly hostile to anyone that's not a white man, and only allows diversity in their TV shows so that they don't have to do it for their movies, which, by the way, are steadily going to shit until Black Panther and Captain Marvel can inject some new blood. Also using Hydra openly endorses antisemitism, which Marvel is fine with so long as they make money.

I....just.....what??

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#58325: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:56:49 AM

Yeah, I really doubt that Marvel is in any danger of failing, unlike what the article says, but I do agree with what it says about how frustrating the overwhelming straight white male-ness of the movies is.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.

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