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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58201: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:04:21 PM

[up] Agreed. And let's remember, no matter how "good" the source is, it only says that she is in talks, not that the deal is locked down.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#58202: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:07:21 PM

Hawkeye's pregnant wife, or Peter's aunt, don't really help your argument because they're non-powered civilian supporting characters. And I'm tired of the women getting consigned to the "youth" dynamic. Why can Hawkeye be a seasoned SHIELD agent, and Falcon a seasoned ex-vet, and Rhodey a seasoned military officer, but Carol needs to be younger? Don't buy it, don't like it.

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#58203: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:07:48 PM

Remember when Johnny Depp was in talks for Doctor Strange? Or when Asa Butterfield was in talks for Spider-Man? Or hell, when Tom Cruise was in talks for Iron Man?

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#58204: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:11:44 PM

I'd say the fact that Larson is in talks at all is reason enough to suspect Marvel's no more or less ageist than any other production house, seeing as she's at the very least in the ballpark of what they're looking for.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#58205: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:14:23 PM

She hasn't even been cast yet. Save your rage for whenever she's cast, and then wait for the movie to decide if she was good for the role or not.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58206: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:14:49 PM

There were other actresses rumoured to be in discussion who are older, though. I suspect they had something along the line of "From mid-twenties to late thirties".

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#58207: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:16:39 PM

which is another issue I have with this. Female characters having their careers and positions of authority downplaid.

To be fair, MCU Captain America's military rank is a stage name he got to keep as an honorary title after dashing off and rescuing Barnes's unit. Even if her rank is downplayed, Danvers can still retain a stronger military credential than Cap did during adaptation by virtue of having any actual position in the U.S. Air Force.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58208: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:35:37 PM

I'm just dissapointed Marvel would consider someone so young for what is one of their few big name middle aged female protagonists.

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#58209: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:36:31 PM

Again, they are considering her, they haven't cast her yet.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#58210: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:38:02 PM

That's my point. Consideration itself at this late a stage is kind of deeply disappointing.

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#58211: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:39:07 PM

And? She hasn't been cast yet and you're outraged over it just because they're considering her. Have they considered anyone that was older?

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#58212: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:39:25 PM

What late stage? They don't even have a director yet. Or a complete script.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#58213: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:58:29 PM

I don't like how issues over Hollywood casting trends in practice work out as hostility toward individual actors and (probably more often) actresses.

However, I would have to admit that even accounting for the tendency of older actors to play younger characters and being older than their female counterparts, Larson is rather young.

The character is an Experienced Protagonist. Although canonically she's in a relationship with Rhodes, it does seem unlikely that there would be an actress as old as Don Cheadle, who is 51. However, you'd think at least they could get someone around the age of Anthony Mackie- 37- to fit the concept of a youngish officer.

And while there's no guarantee that the MCU will have Captain Marvel IN SPACE, and Star Lord is supposed to be a Manchild, I would note that Chris Pratt is 36 and I would expect Carol Danvers to be the same age or older than Peter Quill.

edited 2nd Jun '16 1:00:18 PM by Hodor2

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#58214: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:06:02 PM

I don't think Carol Danvers is that old in the comics, and certainly wasn't at the start of her story. I know for a fact she became a colonel in the comics at an implausibly young age (before becoming NASA's head of security, also at an implausibly young age).

By the time the Captain Marvel solo movie comes out, Brie Larson will be roughly as old as Chris Evans was when the first Captain America movie came out. So her age wouldn't be unprecedented for an MCU hero in their introductory film.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#58215: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:09:14 PM

I mean, let's be honest, Larson is being considered only mostly because of ageism.

You can't deny having the Russo brothers in charge has something to do with it.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#58216: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:12:25 PM

She was on Community?

I've never watched the show, I only know that the gay dean was in Civil War and the aspie Indian guy was in Winter Soldier.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58217: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:14:19 PM

Briefly. She was Abed's love interest who got Brother Chucked rather quickly.

[up][up]I can, actually. She's a very in-demand actress after winning that Oscar.

edited 2nd Jun '16 1:16:28 PM by comicwriter

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58218: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:16:52 PM

Carol is roughly the same age as Natasha. both are currently around their mid 40s. If you discount retcons and all the weird bullshit that attempts to fit characters into the 10 year timeline (since the Fantastic Four’s fateful flight, anyone's history always, retroactively, started ten or thirteen years ago), she would be born 1938 but joins the airforce in 1956 then leaves for the CIA in 1963 only to become a member of NASA in 1967. Rogue was only 9 when Carol busted out of Lubyanka. However around 50-60s her ageing slowed down due to Mar-vel. Obviously he came with significant physiological improvements.

If we go by the 10 year timeline, Uncanny X-Men #164 said Carol saw Apollo launch as a teenager. That implies she was born in the 50s. Then in Marvel volume 2 issue 25, young adult Carol is at Cape Canaveral where a space shuttle is involved (obviously 80s). This implies she was born in the late 60s. Etc

edited 2nd Jun '16 1:47:45 PM by FictionWriterKing

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58219: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:17:30 PM

She isn't, actually. Natasha is significantly older, having been alive during World War 2.

edited 2nd Jun '16 1:17:44 PM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#58221: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:22:54 PM

No. Actually Larson was in Community- apparently as a character named Rachel (I've never watched the show). But yeah, I think Oscar Winner has more to do with her name coming up here.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58222: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:25:25 PM

Had she not been such a wasted character the original plan to cast Alison Brie as Sharon Carter would've been pretty cool.

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#58223: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:30:33 PM

I'm still pulling for Infinity War to have Sharon in some capacity.

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#58224: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:34:40 PM

I'm still pulling for the Steve/Sharon ship to die in a fire and never be spoken of again.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58225: Jun 2nd 2016 at 1:34:45 PM

Wasn't everyone at one point clamoring for Charlize Theron? Or was that just me?


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