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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#58151: Jun 2nd 2016 at 8:49:34 AM

Wow. I didn't even realize Superman, Captain America, and the Punisher were in that movie.

Any concern I may have had regarding her role as Envy Adams dried up instantly when you brought that up.

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#58152: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:05:37 AM

Wait, the Punisher was in Scott pilgrim? I knew about the other two but not Thomas Jane.

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#58153: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:12:40 AM

According to Google, he was one of the Vegan Police and was uncredited.

edited 2nd Jun '16 9:16:18 AM by Cross

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58154: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:17:13 AM

"Gelato's not vegan?" "It's milk and eggs, bitch."

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58155: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:17:50 AM

That's quite the cast.

EDIT: Felt this was worth posting here.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/27/11798830/cinematic-universe-marvel-dc-universal-paramount

edited 2nd Jun '16 9:41:00 AM by VeryMelon

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#58156: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:48:25 AM

I'm sure someone in the Marvel Universe has enough evil exes that I could make a joke.

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58157: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:51:33 AM

[up] Well, Tony Stark goes canonically have two exes (Christine and Maya, three if you count Cap) went against him...

edited 2nd Jun '16 9:52:05 AM by shatterstar

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58158: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:53:32 AM

"Gelato's not vegan?" "It's milk and eggs, bitch."

Someone needs to write that dialogue into a Punisher comic.

And to my utter lack of surprise, we have push back against the possibility of Ms. Larson, an Oscar winner, for the most pathetic reasons.

"She's not tall enough"

"She doesn't look like a badass"

"She's too young" Even though Carol is pretty young for a colonel.

"Gina Carano would have been better".

Not unlike the stupidity Gal Gadot went through.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58159: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:06:48 AM

Humorously, my dad's also used the "Not tall enough" argument.....in regards to Don Cheadle. Terrence Howard could at least pull the physique of an experienced army man, while Cheadle looks a tad too scrawny. His performance does help a lot though.

Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say "It also had the Punisher!" in regards to the MCU. The vegan cop was played by Thomas Jane, who was in The Punisher (2004).

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:09:20 AM by Watchtower

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58160: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:12:07 AM

[up][up]"She doesn't look like a badass."

  • rubs nose*

Yes, I'm sure the lead actress of Short Term 12 and Room is completely unable to convey strength and general kickassery. (Seriously, I know they are not genre movies, but... come on, fandom.)

Every time someone says Punisher, I now think of Jon Bernthal. Took me a moment to remember Thomas Jane played him before.

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:14:56 AM by hollygoolightly

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#58161: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:26:59 AM

Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say "It also had the Punisher!" in regards to the MCU. The vegan cop was played by Thomas Jane, who was in The Punisher (2004).

The point was that three actors so far have been in superhero movies, not that they were in the MCU. Superman also has yet to enter the MCU, though if WB's movies continue receiving the reception they've had, a deal might just be around the corner....

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#58162: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:30:03 AM

Superman and Batman are beign added to the MCU! Spread this perfectly legitmate and baseless rumor like wildfire! The world must know that they're in talks!

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#58163: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:31:06 AM

[up][up] Derp, right, Routh, shit. Clearly haven't had enough coffee. [lol]

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#58164: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:32:02 AM

I hear Michael Cera is in talks to be the MCU Batman

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#58165: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:32:53 AM

She's younger than I would prefer, and Hollywood yet again casting firmly within-type (yet another 20-something actress, how predictable). And Hollywood's blatant double-standard in this regard annoys me. And I'm not ashamed to admit that, nor consider it to be an "unreasonable" one.

That said, I think that Larson herself would do a good job acting-wise.

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#58166: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:33:55 AM

How does Thomas Jane hold up compared to the guy from Daredevil who played Punisher? I've only seen that one short film with Jane as the Punisher.

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#58167: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:34:16 AM

[up][up][up] Some fans consider it unconventional, but I believe that the decision to have Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson play MCU Robin is guaranteed to be a stellar performance.

[up] Honestly, hard to say. Bernthal is definitely the best Punisher since Jane. Whether he's better than Jane, I really can't tell.

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:35:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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#58168: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:35:59 AM

And to my utter lack of surprise, we have push back against the possibility of Ms. Larson, an Oscar winner, for the most pathetic reasons.

"She's not tall enough"

"She doesn't look like a badass"

"She's too young" Even though Carol is pretty young for a colonel.

"Gina Carano would have been better".

Not unlike the stupidity Gal Gadot went through.

This happens with every casting choice, especially ones who have very devoted fanbases. Nobody is as good as whoever they had in their head.

The only one I can sorta see is the one about her being young. But honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if they greatly shortened her backstory anyway. Comic Carol was a soldier, a pilot, a CIA agent, and depending on the continuity also a SHIELD or SWORD agent before she ever became a superhero. They'll probably cut most of that down.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#58169: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:45:21 AM

In the comics, she's also a Colonel, but I suspect that they will simply make her a Captain in the movie. And becoming a Captain in the Air Force by 30 is doable.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#58170: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:47:27 AM

If The One-Above-All were to appear in the MCU, how would you handle it?

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#58171: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:52:24 AM

Stan Lee.

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#58172: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:53:07 AM

A Jack Kirby stand-in.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#58173: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:54:25 AM

@Punisher 286 she'll be very close to 30 by the time the movie comes out. Assuming she gets the role.

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#58174: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:54:27 AM

Or that. I was thinking it'd be neat to get Jack Kirby to play him but then I googled it and the man's been dead for twenty years so Stan Lee is my standby.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58175: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:56:11 AM

To be honest, I would be worried about the (possible!!!) casting if not for the fact that Bree Larson is a real chameleon. I haven't seen that much of her, but so far she has practically be the female version of Gary Oldman, meaning that I am usually unable to recognize her in any role. Consequently I can see her selling more or less everything.

Concerning the age: Marvel should cast as young as it is believable in any role, especially for roles which require a lot of physicality, because the idea behind a casting like this is that the actors should be around for a couple of movies. In Captain Marvel's case that most likely means that the actress the cast now should still be a believable hero when the end of Phase 5 happens.


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