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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58076: May 31st 2016 at 4:17:20 PM

[up][up]Right. He could've just told him "Fuck off and leave me alone".

I can't get on that site - what's the news?

Elizabeth Debicki's character is reportedly the villain of Guardians 2.

edited 31st May '16 4:19:10 PM by comicwriter

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58077: May 31st 2016 at 4:28:16 PM

I'm also on the side of Got G being a perfectly fine movie that didn't move me emotionally at all except for a couple of scenes. I also found both Starlord and Gamorra pretty bland, which was a pity, since their comrades were very entertaining (as were Yondu and Nebula. Even Ronan had his moments if you're into that sort of pomposity.). One thing that did irk me was the music, which I simply hated. I mean, I totally get why it was as it was, it just wasn't my cup of tea.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#58078: May 31st 2016 at 4:30:42 PM

Ok, I haven't ranked the movies. Here goes:

  • 1.- Civil War
  • 2.- Age of Ultron
  • 3.- Winter Soldier
  • 4.- Avengers
  • 5.- Iron Man 3
  • 6.- Ant-Man
  • 7.- Guardians of the Galaxy
  • 8.- Iron Man
  • 9.- The Dark World
  • 10.- The First Avenger
  • 11.- Iron Man 2
  • 12.- Thor
  • 13.- The Incredible Hulk

I don't think any of these movies is bad. 1 through 4 are amazing, 5 through 10 are good, and the last three are goodish, with issues, with the Hulk movie being largely skippable.

edited 31st May '16 4:33:55 PM by ExplosiveLion

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#58079: May 31st 2016 at 4:50:37 PM

[up][up][up] He basically did, three times. Killian just ignored him and kept pushing it.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58080: May 31st 2016 at 5:49:06 PM

Apparently Ayesha, ak la She,, is the villain of GOG 2, which I believe based on the cocoon. James Gunn said it's not Adam Warlocks, so...

Meanwhile, I was correct with Hulk busting it out in Grandmaster's arena. As an Elder, his obsession is associated with receiving amusement through "games", which works for the plot line of a free roaming and somewhat angered Hulk.

For those who do not know, the Elders of the Universe are not all the same species. They come from a variety of now extinct elder races, and owe their immortality to their individual, singular obsessions.

That's the comics continuity, anyway. The MCU hasn't derived away from this "obsession"either. Therefore, he fits in nicely beside Taneleer. Hulk is indeed a toy any control freak would appreciate. En Dwl would love to have Hulk entertain him.

edited 31st May '16 6:06:41 PM by FictionWriterKing

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#58081: May 31st 2016 at 6:06:21 PM

The problem with the "we make our own demons" is that Tony being sort of dickish to Killian is bad, but Killian systematically deciding to become a supervillain and annihilate everything Tony ever built is such a massive Disproportionate Retribution that the meaning is entirely lost.

One WMG in this very site actually had a far more interesting idea, to have The Mandarin (this WMG being done before the movie was released) be a vicitm of war waged with Stark Industries weapons. That way there's a much stronger link between Tony's actual sins in the past and the villain in the present.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#58082: May 31st 2016 at 6:15:41 PM

Hah, that WMG was mine. grin

edited 31st May '16 6:15:56 PM by Tuckerscreator

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58083: May 31st 2016 at 6:17:29 PM

[up][up][up] wild mass guessThe Grandmaster is actually Woolie out to reclaim his childhood after his friends destroyed his Hulk doll.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#58084: May 31st 2016 at 6:27:05 PM

After ranking the movie, how do you rank the theme songs? Mine is:

1. Taking a Stand

2. Captain America March

3. Avengers Theme

4. Driving With the Top Down

5. Agent Carter theme

6. Agents of SHIELD theme

7. Cap's Promise

8. Ant-Man Theme

9. Age of Ultron Theme

edited 31st May '16 6:31:27 PM by flameboy21th

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#58085: May 31st 2016 at 6:52:16 PM

[up][up][up][up]The thing is, while Tony spurning him set him on his path, the whole Extremis and Mandarin thing was just his own twisted ambitions and greed, not revenge. Getting to humiliate Tony and take his girl was just the maraschino cherry on top of an evil ice cream sundae he was already content with.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58086: May 31st 2016 at 7:03:05 PM

I just realized my biggest problem with Civil War: Tony was so sympathetic and reasonable that we're probably not gonna get the scene where Thor beats the shit out of him.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#58087: May 31st 2016 at 7:13:58 PM

One WMG in this very site actually had a far more interesting idea, to have The Mandarin (this WMG being done before the movie was released) be a vicitm of war waged with Stark Industries weapons." That's comic book Whiplash and falls under MCU's Zemo/Twins. He can't be another vengeance seeker. Vengeance wasn't Killian's goal as both he and [up] stated. It was a convenience.

I would just like to see what another director does with Mandarin, a conspiracy gone true. What is his motivation and shit... well someone else needs to fill in those blanks much like Russo's are gonna do with Thanos. The character is here. He's always been here, originally planned for IM 1. It's a matter of finding the right talent who cares to do something with him lol

edited 31st May '16 7:24:32 PM by FictionWriterKing

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#58088: May 31st 2016 at 7:23:13 PM

I don't think we're gonna have to worry about that anytime soon.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#58089: May 31st 2016 at 7:41:20 PM

I would have loved it if Trevor had escaped capture... and then discovered that only the now-dead guys in AIM had ever known the truth. Does he take command and keep the good times rolling, or try calling the Avengers for help before his subordinates mutiny?

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58090: May 31st 2016 at 8:04:37 PM

[up] There's a Freeze-Frame Bonus in the WHGH news video on Youtube that Trevor is now in contract to make a new bio about his exp. So he's doing pretty well for himself.

edited 31st May '16 8:04:50 PM by shatterstar

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#58091: May 31st 2016 at 8:19:22 PM

That would be great for him, if it wasn't for the whole assassination plot against him.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58093: May 31st 2016 at 9:12:12 PM

That's an interesting question. I think Bucky would lose to Cap in a arm wrestling contest though.

edited 31st May '16 9:12:21 PM by VeryMelon

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58094: May 31st 2016 at 9:14:23 PM

[up][up][up] Well, just another day in an actor's life.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#58095: May 31st 2016 at 9:35:37 PM

Imagine a Legion of Doom with Trevor!Mandarin.

Well, it wouldn't be much of a Legion, since the MCU keeps killing its villains, but still.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#58096: May 31st 2016 at 9:39:23 PM

Well if they try out the Masters of Evil, they have Zemo, Hammer, Abomination, and Loki as the living villains so far (of course, Loki would more than likely not be in it due to Ragnarok). If they do create the Masters of Evil in the MCU, they probably will let some of the future villains live so that they can use them.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58097: May 31st 2016 at 9:46:03 PM

The downside is, coming up they don't have a lot of opportunities to introduce villains likely to be in the Masters. Imo what they should've been doing is letting dragons or significant minions live - like, say, if Savin made it out of Iron Man 3.

It might be an interesting idea to have legacy villains or something along those lines. Like, if they used the Whiplash-Bot concept from Iron Man Armored Adventures (at least, I think he was a robot. He might've been a cyborg). Though IIRC, comics Whiplash was in Agents of SHIELD (albeit as little more than an Elite Mook for HYDRA) and didn't die, so they also have an in there as well.

edited 31st May '16 9:46:11 PM by KnownUnknown

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#58098: May 31st 2016 at 9:52:47 PM

[up][up] Well, the Spider-Man franchise is now in the MCU and I'm praying that they won't kill off Micheal Keaton in his first appearance.

So, all this talk made me realize that Wanda need her own movie. A movie that has some scenes detailing her horrific origins, her reaction to the event of Civil War and Age of Ultron , allegory for the current refugee crisis while mastering her power and stopping the villain of the movie along with some smexy time with Vision. This film is just writing itself.

edited 31st May '16 9:57:54 PM by shatterstar

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#58099: May 31st 2016 at 9:54:58 PM

Alternately after they were told they couldn't make Maya a villain they should've left her alive at the end. That way her bus could come back to menace Iron Man in the future if they wished.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#58100: May 31st 2016 at 10:02:06 PM

Besides what has already been said, I'd have welcomed Maya as a villain mostly because the MCU villains are a huge sausage fest.


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