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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#57901: May 26th 2016 at 8:07:06 AM

Achievement In Ignorance, eh?

edited 26th May '16 8:07:16 AM by flameboy21th

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57902: May 26th 2016 at 8:10:15 AM

[up][up]That's the thing though: fighting the Winter Soldier is hard, because WS doesn't care if you are a combattant, a teenager with super strength, or an old lady doing shopping, if you're in the way of his mission, he'll flatten you. Bucky doesn't fight like that at all, he pulls his punches, and is mostly going for evasive maneouvres. As soon as he noticed that Peter was a kid, Peter was effectively out of danger, because he wouldn't have done anything big for fear of hurting him.

edited 26th May '16 8:25:32 AM by hollygoolightly

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#57903: May 26th 2016 at 8:19:00 AM

He doesn't pull his punches that much. He promised Cap he wouldn't kill anyone when they were fighting Bucharest's police, then proceeded to effortlessly smash his way through them and chuck one off the stairwell. Cap actually called him out on it.

And, I mean, Cap himself later dumped a shipping container on the kid so if Cap's not holding back, why would Bucky be?

EDIT: Just noticed this isn't the Civil War thread.

edited 26th May '16 8:21:34 AM by TobiasDrake

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57904: May 26th 2016 at 8:22:27 AM

[up]Maybe his idea of "non-lethal" mirrors Matt Murdoch's?

He's a bit wild in that first fight, true, but he does throw the special forces only when Steve is around to catch them (or, alternately, throws Steve at them in the first place) and he is a lot more careful after Steve tells him to reign it in.

Steve did that only after it became clear how strong Peter is, though. Also, generally, the MCU has interesting ideas about what people can realistically survive. There seems to be a lot of leeway here.

Argh, you're right. Sorry, everyone!

ETA: Totally cute Sam/Bucky fanart (very SFW).

edited 26th May '16 8:33:34 AM by hollygoolightly

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#57905: May 26th 2016 at 8:36:37 AM

Winter birb tongue

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#57906: May 26th 2016 at 9:08:24 AM

sigh*...I mean it makes sense to start with Daredevil, but they should have at least announce Jessica Jones and the Punisher at the same time....

The shows are all in different licenses, so they might not have the rights to make Jessica Jones stuff yet.

Or even if they do, Hot Toys has a pretty big production slate that doesn't usually involve a lot of TV shows. It might take time to get to JJ stuff.

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#57907: May 26th 2016 at 9:24:18 AM

That's actually a fair point. IIRC, merchandisers pay the IP-holder for license rights, not the other way around, so it's possible they only had or wanted to spend the money for one of the properties.

And although JJ is one of the most important works in the entire MCU, it's not exactly toyetic. "Alright kids, do you want to play with the serial rapist, the traumatized young woman who swears never again, or the unstable murderer high on toxic-masculine rejection of his status as a victim?"

The thought of Kilgrave action figures makes me physically ill.

edited 26th May '16 9:28:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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#57909: May 26th 2016 at 9:37:04 AM

[up][up]Who is the last one?

edited 26th May '16 9:37:19 AM by flameboy21th

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#57910: May 26th 2016 at 9:37:24 AM

Nuke. He's in Jessica Jones too.

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#57911: May 26th 2016 at 9:47:10 AM

Yeah they might be put off a bit by that as well, especially since nobody in Jessica Jones wears a costume. That's a notorious sticking point for toy companies.

Hot Toys did figures for Coulson and Maria Hill a while back and I remember hearing they didn't sell very well.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57912: May 26th 2016 at 9:47:15 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]You forgot the hilarious socially awkward neighbour, who has three completely different insensitive remarks, which are guaranteed to offend at least two different people at once. Includes Idiot Ball and uncomfortable incestuous undertones with her brother.

edited 26th May '16 9:47:53 AM by hollygoolightly

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#57913: May 26th 2016 at 9:51:55 AM

Costumes are more toyetic. That's, like, the entire reason superheroes wear them: the characters stand out more both in comics and in toys when they're clad in bright, flashy colors that jump out and go, "SHABAM, Superhero!"

A superhero's costume is basically their marketing campaign. Peter Parker wears a costume to fight crime in order to protect his loved ones, blah blah, but the real reason he wears it is because Spider-Man is more visually distinctive and eye-catching than "Brown-haired white guy with doodads on his wrist".

edited 26th May '16 9:54:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#57914: May 26th 2016 at 9:57:44 AM

I wonder if they'll ever do a variety of Steve's Nomad costume in the movies. I know it's not likely, but man, that thing is awesome.

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#57915: May 26th 2016 at 9:58:23 AM

I could see it as a gag. Costume party or something.

  • Steve: I should have known better than to let you pick my costume.
  • Bucky: (trying desperately not to crack up) Come on, you'll be the belle of the ball.

edited 26th May '16 9:59:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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#57917: May 26th 2016 at 10:16:34 AM

It'll be T'Challa's idea. Making suits for the renegades as an apology for trying to beat them up... Oh wait, they don't like them?[[/spoiler

edited 26th May '16 11:11:28 AM by AlleyOop

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#57918: May 26th 2016 at 10:34:41 AM

  • T'Challa: To make amends for my attempt at killing your friend, I've fashioned a vibranium weave suit to protect you from harm in your future endeavors.
  • Steve: If it's supposed to protect me from harm, why is there a huge V-shaped opening right over the chest, where all my vital organs are?
  • T'Challa: Because although I accept my responsibility for my misassumptions, I still don't actually like you very much. You will find a copy of the Accords in the box for you to sign.

edited 26th May '16 10:38:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#57920: May 26th 2016 at 10:39:01 AM

Right, sorry.

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#57921: May 26th 2016 at 11:04:14 AM

(Not really) Leaked image of Captain America suit for Captain America 4.

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#57922: May 26th 2016 at 11:06:02 AM

[up] This 'Cap is Hydra' thing better not ever make it into the movies.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#57923: May 26th 2016 at 11:06:56 AM

Oh come on, they are trust-worthy enough.

But so WAS CAPTAIN AMERICA. -wave fists-

edited 26th May '16 11:07:47 AM by dRoy

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#57924: May 26th 2016 at 11:11:02 AM

If it ends up in the MCU it'll probably be the William Burnside the writers joked about wanting to do for Cap 3.

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#57925: May 26th 2016 at 11:11:19 AM

It's a gimmick.

They can't come out and call it a gimmick because it's an actively ongoing story and anyone at Marvel would be fired in a heartbeat for going, "Yeah, it's just a stupid publicity stunt, don't bother reading it." But it's a gimmick.

Like, people keep reporting folks at Marvel swearing up and down that, no, seriously, this is a real thing and it's not going to get undone and it's a super big deal. But what answer do you think you're going to get when you asked someone at Marvel, "Is this a stupid gimmick that's going to be undone a year from now?"

edited 26th May '16 11:12:48 AM by TobiasDrake

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