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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#57826: May 25th 2016 at 3:48:29 PM

[up][up][up]

I think they could do a more comics-accurate form of the Novaforce by establishing that after sustaining such massive casualties from the events of Guardians of the Galaxy, they were reorganized into a much smaller, but much more elite force wielding powers derived from the Power Stone (sort of like how Hydra had weaponized tesseract energy in Cap 1).

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#57827: May 25th 2016 at 4:15:21 PM

So, I just got online and my Twitter feed is lit the hell up with #Captain America. Because Marvel decided Comics!Cap is HYDRA. And maybe always was; I'm not sure. I seem to be the only one assuming that a) Steve's pulling an epic swerve, or b) this is going to turn out to not be the real Steve Rogers.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#57828: May 25th 2016 at 4:20:14 PM

The author said in interviews that there's no mind control, no Cap pulling a swerve, not fake cape, but that Cap has been Hydra since the very very beginning.

It's sort of effed up.

edited 25th May '16 4:24:53 PM by MousaThe14

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57829: May 25th 2016 at 4:21:35 PM

Just like Cap was totally absolutely definitely 100% dead at the end of Civil War?

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#57830: May 25th 2016 at 4:25:28 PM

I don't recall anyone saying that because I was beyond Civil War when I was more into comics.

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#57832: May 25th 2016 at 4:27:50 PM

[up][up][up] [lol]

edited 25th May '16 4:28:02 PM by yellowturtle

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57833: May 25th 2016 at 4:30:24 PM

[up][up][up][up]Strange, that was the exact thing I thought of when I read about this!

But yeah, I'm sure this is totally real and has nothing at all to do with (vague spoilers for the storyline before this issue of Cap started, just to be sure) what was used to turn Steve back from an old, non-serum'd guy into his usual super-serum-powered self.

Looking at twitter/tumblr, people sure aren't pleased about this plot twist, though.

[up][up][up]They really tried to convince people that he was dead! Not sure anyone really believed it, but, oh, they tried.

edited 25th May '16 4:34:41 PM by hollygoolightly

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57834: May 25th 2016 at 4:33:35 PM

It's a transparently shameless publicity stunt, and we're just kinda weary of that crap in our comics.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57835: May 25th 2016 at 4:37:44 PM

[up]Yeah. Many seem to find it rather tone-deaf, given HYDRA's Nazi connections.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#57836: May 25th 2016 at 4:38:20 PM

The author said in interviews that there's no mind control, no Cap pulling a swerve, not fake cape, but that Cap has been Hydra since the very very beginning.

...How and why?

This song needs more love.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#57837: May 25th 2016 at 4:39:28 PM

[up]Like I said, he didn't rule out time travel.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#57838: May 25th 2016 at 4:41:53 PM

Count me in on the "they can't be this stupid" train.

And on the "furious that they think WE'RE this stupid" train. Either they made one of the moral pillars of the Marvel Universe a double agent for a Nazi offshoot, or they genuinely believe trying to make us think they did so is good writing or that we're dumb enough to go along with it.

edited 25th May '16 4:42:14 PM by Khfan429

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57839: May 25th 2016 at 4:51:24 PM

[up][up][up]Or maybe even a Cosmic Cube who thinks she is a four-year-old girl and has adopted Bucky Barnes and a handful of super villains as her babysitters. She's the one who turned Steve back from old guy to young guy and likely messed up somehow. Either that, or time travel.

edited 25th May '16 4:52:53 PM by hollygoolightly

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#57840: May 25th 2016 at 4:54:42 PM

So HYDRA has been hijacking Cap as they has been hijacking SHIELD?

edited 25th May '16 5:04:41 PM by flameboy21th

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57841: May 25th 2016 at 4:59:49 PM

Not quite. A woman who is affiliated with them saves his Mom from her abusive husband and she falls in with them. And raises him according to their ideology. In secret, or whatever.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#57842: May 25th 2016 at 5:04:04 PM

Okay, is this a comic thing? Because there is a Marvel comic thread, that thing should go there.

edited 25th May '16 5:15:55 PM by flameboy21th

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57843: May 25th 2016 at 5:08:10 PM

And that is the reason why I stick with the MCU, where nearly everything is nice and orderly and we are mostly spared those kinds of stunts.

Time to look for more Bucky and Falcon fanfic....

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57844: May 25th 2016 at 5:15:06 PM

[up][up]Fortunately, yes.

[up]Wise decision.

edited 25th May '16 5:16:07 PM by hollygoolightly

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#57845: May 25th 2016 at 5:15:21 PM

[up][up]Steve/Sam OTP

Captain Falcon baby!

edited 25th May '16 5:16:18 PM by flameboy21th

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57846: May 25th 2016 at 5:17:44 PM

The author said in interviews that there's no mind control, no Cap pulling a swerve, not fake cape, but that Cap has been Hydra since the very very beginning.

Yeah, even Red Skull is saying "Are you kidding me?!" beyond the grave.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57847: May 25th 2016 at 5:18:21 PM

[up][up]The solution, as always, is polyamory. # Get Captain America All The Boyfriends And Girlfriends.

(Silly typo.)

edited 25th May '16 5:21:04 PM by hollygoolightly

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57848: May 25th 2016 at 5:22:24 PM

"Now before we begin, does anyone need lube?"

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#57849: May 25th 2016 at 5:25:26 PM

"Cap you are a bit heavy today!"

"Yeah, spent a whole night having fondue."

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57850: May 25th 2016 at 5:27:51 PM

"I can do this all day!"

"Your junk clearly can't."

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.

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