TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#57801: May 25th 2016 at 10:09:39 AM

I do, too. But I don't see why both Jess and Kamala couldn't be in the Captain Marvel movie. :/

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57802: May 25th 2016 at 10:10:20 AM

[up]4Well the director of JJ used a lot of subtext to handle rape instead of shoving the actuality of it our faces uhuhm GOT. And it was filmed well as if Melissa researched real life rapist and victims http://writeworld.org/post/87739766235/some-broad-advice-on-writing-about-rape. Writing stories of abuse isn't hard if you put in the work. There are guidelines. Making it closer to our reality is the best thing possible, same goes for mental illness

edited 25th May '16 10:18:02 AM by FictionWriterKing

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#57803: May 25th 2016 at 10:11:58 AM

[up][up]Jess may cause Continuity Lock-Out, Kamala is more likely if some actions get carried to New Jersey.

Kamala would suit Agents of Shield well.

Non Indicative Username
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#57804: May 25th 2016 at 10:16:28 AM

Wait, how would Jess cause Continuity Lock-Out? :/

Kamala could be a good fit for Agents of SHIELD, I suppose, but I'm not sure how easily a TV budget could handle her powers. Also, she's 16, so joining the Secret Warriors would be a little...iffy, I think.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57805: May 25th 2016 at 10:18:01 AM

Plus it'd make it less likely she'd appear in the movies, in all honesty.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#57806: May 25th 2016 at 10:18:57 AM

[up][up][up], [up][up] I think you two are thinking of different Jesses. Jessica Jones and Jessica Drew.

edited 25th May '16 10:19:09 AM by stingerbrg

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57807: May 25th 2016 at 10:19:00 AM

[up]2 most likely Kevin Feiger would say no, keeping her in films only among the royal family, who also wouldn't appear in AOS. I would be surprised if any did.

edited 25th May '16 10:23:50 AM by FictionWriterKing

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#57808: May 25th 2016 at 10:20:38 AM

[up][up][up] That, too.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#57810: May 25th 2016 at 1:50:37 PM

When you set the current global stage with a minefield of unknown enemies and world leaders who actually consider nuking New York City in an effort to contain an attack, the problems of individual people kinda seem like small beans. And that's when you realize... what those people could actually use in their lives is a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. In that context, the web-slinger becomes a different kind of symbol right at his inception. Peter Parker may still have become Spider-Man because of his uncle's death, but the choice has even more weight attached when the stage he's stepping out onto needs more people like him—more heroes who are willing to work at the ground level. This world is changing so quickly that the presence of a guardian who cares about drunk drivers and stolen laptops has potential to be more of a comfort than Captain America or Iron Man.

This small bit got me more excited for Homecoming than I thought I would be. I hope it addresses topics like this.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#57811: May 25th 2016 at 2:16:24 PM

Actually, put like that it might be pretty interesting to have a Spider-Man movie without a super-powered villain at all, just have him as a literal neighbourhood hero going around busting muggers in Queens before realising he has the potential (and therefore the responsibility) to be more, though given he's already thrown down with half the Avengers and survived this might be a tricky concept to sell. Or at least have the baddie as someone like Hammerhead or Tombstone, tough enough to present a physical threat but their actual power is by being crime lords, and Spidey works his way up the chain as the movie goes on.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57812: May 25th 2016 at 2:17:48 PM

I do, too. But I don't see why both Jess and Kamala couldn't be in the Captain Marvel movie. :/

This is gonna be Carol's first movie, and there's gonna be more focus on establishing her and her world, I imagine. The MCU movies generally follow a pattern where they start with a single superhero, focus mostly on them, and then introduce superpowered sidekicks or partners in the sequel. Tony is the only hero in Iron Man 1. Rhodey is there but be doesn't become War Machine until Part 2. They repeated the exact same formula with Hope Van Dyne in Ant-Man. Falcon doesn't show up until Captain America 2. We're not getting Valkyrie until Thor 3.

They're likely gonna follow that pattern for Captain Marvel, and having Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman there unnecessarily complicates the story.

As for Ms. Marvel in Agents of SHIELD, I have a feeling the next season will be their last.

edited 25th May '16 2:18:36 PM by comicwriter

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#57813: May 25th 2016 at 2:37:41 PM

The Captain Marvel movie could have the backdrop of the Kree dealing with the political fallout of Ronan's antics.

edited 25th May '16 2:38:10 PM by nervmeister

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#57814: May 25th 2016 at 2:51:37 PM

I don't think the Kree care much. When Nova Prime asked them to disavow Ronan's actions as a token gesture of diplomacy, they basically went, "Pfft, blow me."

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#57815: May 25th 2016 at 2:52:51 PM

[up][up]

I think Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be the best time to deal with any direct fallout from those events, though they it could certainly carry forward into Captain Marvel.

Ultimately, a lot is going to depend on whether the Captain Marvel movie is more earthbound or more cosmic, and she's one of the few characters (if not the only character) where there isn't an obvious answer to that question even for her first solo movie. A largely earthbound Captain Marvel would have more room for characters like Kamala Khan or Jessica Drew, but given it's placement between the two halves of Infinity War, a cosmic movie might make a lot more sense storywise.

edited 25th May '16 2:53:01 PM by Falrinn

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#57816: May 25th 2016 at 2:54:11 PM

[up][up]They could end up regretting that if the rest of the intergalactic community gets suspicious of them,

edited 25th May '16 2:56:05 PM by nervmeister

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#57817: May 25th 2016 at 2:55:36 PM

Given the immense damage Ronan did to Xandar's military and infrastructure, I don't expect they will.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57818: May 25th 2016 at 2:57:46 PM

I don't think it's the setting so much as the fact that Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel are both characters who kinda need their origins done. You don't just drop them into the story.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57819: May 25th 2016 at 3:05:13 PM

I suggested earlier that Spider-Woman could be in a potential Black Widow movie, actually. She has that whole "trained by bad guys but defects to the good guys" thing going on.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#57820: May 25th 2016 at 3:12:44 PM

[up][up][up]

......which means the Nova Corps will be busy recupping their losses and rebuilding Xandar instead of.....,y'know....preventing wars from breaking out....

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#57821: May 25th 2016 at 3:14:27 PM

Assuming they ever did that in the first place. The MCU seems to be treating the Nova Corps as a regional authority instead of intergalactic space peacekeepers. Their conflict with the Kree Empire is treated like a fragile peace treaty between opposed nations.

edited 25th May '16 3:15:11 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57822: May 25th 2016 at 3:15:04 PM

So no Richard Ryder?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#57823: May 25th 2016 at 3:15:58 PM

I believe James Gunn has said he has no plans for Dick Rider but that doesn't mean someone else can't come along and give him a movie. It just might be difficult to dance around the Nova Corps as Guardians established them.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#57824: May 25th 2016 at 3:21:48 PM

[up][up][up]Well regardless, whatever area they were presiding over may end up turning into a free-for-all clusterfuck thanks to Ronan hobbling them. And the Kree - being an empire as you mentioned - may start getting ideas.

edited 25th May '16 3:33:42 PM by nervmeister

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57825: May 25th 2016 at 3:41:28 PM

[up][up]

Hehe, Dick Ryder.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

Total posts: 186,763
Top