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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57726: May 24th 2016 at 4:12:25 PM

This scene...this scene just never gets old.

Personally, I consider this one of the Top 10 moments in MCU, because it's just all around brilliant. [tup]

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57727: May 24th 2016 at 4:14:27 PM

Time to mention again how much I appreciate Ronan...with any other kind of villain or a lesser performance, the scene wouldn't have worked at all.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57728: May 24th 2016 at 4:21:46 PM

I used to disagree, but now I agree. As for me, I feel that his entire hammy mannerism was a built-up to his completely genuine "What are you doing?" line, and boy did it pay off splendidly.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57730: May 24th 2016 at 4:24:39 PM

I have to ask in comic book movies: Like, dead for real or "dead" like Coulson?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57731: May 24th 2016 at 4:31:56 PM

Dead for real.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57732: May 24th 2016 at 4:34:28 PM

Seeing more and more of those.

I appreciate that...but then again, MCU villains have pretty low rate of survival anyway. Like, who survived their first movie outside of Loki and Zemo?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57733: May 24th 2016 at 4:40:50 PM

Crossbones before he got fridged in Civil War. Hammer maybe.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#57734: May 24th 2016 at 5:14:33 PM

Zola if we're counting side villains.

I don't know if I agree with the Hulk's article completely, but he did really touch on something that has been kind of sparse in the last few MCU movies; a lot of the character arcs are gone. In Civil War, the only one who actually has any kind of definitive character growth (a number of characters, like Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, and Spidey get some, but it's really unfocused) is Black Panther. No one else really grows or changes as a result of the events of the film. This also kind of clarifies some of the problems I had with season 2 of Agent Carter, maybe Daredevil season 2 as well.

Also, I agree with his point about the Infinity Stones, we know from supplementary material that each one is different, but I don't know if enough is done to differentiate them onscreen.

Although, I'm surprised he didn't mention GOTG; I remember his article about it being really positive.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#57735: May 24th 2016 at 5:15:19 PM

ALLCAPS does not Hulk Speak make.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57736: May 24th 2016 at 5:16:27 PM

[up]That's why I never cared for the gimmick.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#57737: May 24th 2016 at 6:02:21 PM

The gimmick isn't to solely roleplay the Hulk, it's to prevent quick skimming.

Regarding the article, I partly agree that the MCU does have issues with resetting progress and diminishing stakes, but Civil War was a better example of avoiding it rather than succumbing to it. The writers made it a point to explain how Tony remaining Iron Man had badly affected his personal life, when they technically didn't have a need to. They avoided the cliche of "the feuding good guys get distracted by the evil bad guy monster and reconcile" and instead aimed for a smaller and more personal betrayal of trust. And they ended it with the Accords still active, Bucky still at risk of mind control, and most of the Avengers fugitives. Age of Ultron is a closer example, to me, of consequence-less spectacle than Civil War was.

edited 24th May '16 6:03:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57738: May 24th 2016 at 6:32:26 PM

[up]Well the MCU will never truly go dark, so the worst possible outcome fades away before it can turn into a full blown story of its own. However, the affects have been used enough to impact these new films. Also the protagonists are written in an optimisic light. They refuse to scum to the harsh reality surrounding their consequences. Hulk didn't really go into what stakes mean, so I'm not going to comment on it much even though I can.

edited 24th May '16 6:40:32 PM by FictionWriterKing

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57739: May 24th 2016 at 6:36:31 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I think a lot of people are getting Arc Fatigue from the Infinity Stones in general. A lot of the mixed to negative reviews I remember from AOU basically said they disliked how much of the focus was on the Infinity Stones when they honestly didn't give a shit about that plot point anymore.

My worry with Infinity War is that after 6 years of teasing it, it won't live up to the hype.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#57740: May 24th 2016 at 6:36:45 PM

Apparently this version of Skurge will not be a satellite character.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#57742: May 24th 2016 at 6:45:52 PM

Will he stand alone at gjallerbru?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#57744: May 24th 2016 at 8:21:49 PM

Time to mention again how much I appreciate Ronan...with any other kind of villain or a lesser performance, the scene wouldn't have worked at all.

It's something the Walker bros made me realize. For a movie like Go TG, it absolutely needed a villain who played everything straight because it made moments like that all the more hilarious. Like, I like to think that Ronan is a Stealth Parody of how generic the MCU villains can be.

edited 24th May '16 8:22:18 PM by Lionheart0

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57746: May 24th 2016 at 8:33:57 PM

The movie didn't take itself too seriously, so it really benefited from having a Large Ham villain.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57747: May 25th 2016 at 1:53:45 AM

Also, Ronan comes off as really threatening throu the whole movie. Unlike with some other villains, I actually buy that he is nearly impossible to defeat.

Villains which are still alive are Abomination, Justin Hammer (if you count him as a villain, he is more an antagonist in a lot of ways), Loki, Red Skull (maybe...depends on where he got sucked to by the time stone, and what happened then), Thanos, Nebula, Hydra Guy who escaped at the end of Ant-man and Zemo. There have been a few which have been killed during their second appearance, like The Other. As it stands, Loki and Thanos are the only ones who were in more than one movie, and Thanos was mostly in end credit scenes.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#57748: May 25th 2016 at 2:10:10 AM

[up]

Hydra Guy who escaped at the end of Ant-man

And suddenly, Rogers opposing the Accords makes more sense, given how said Hydra nut is high in the US government.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon

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