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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57701: May 24th 2016 at 5:23:11 AM

[up]Unfortunate Implications? Also, you can't develop a dead character.

If Clint's family is around, they can always generate plot for him, and maybe other people. If they are dead, they only generate manpain for him. As for killing a character instead of for example redeeming them in other ways, compare what they can do with Wanda now vs what they can still do with Quicksilver.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57702: May 24th 2016 at 5:54:09 AM

[up]I was talking about death in general as being boring for consequences not merely fridging a guys wife and kids.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57703: May 24th 2016 at 6:05:06 AM

Because there is usually not much which is impacted by a death. Yes, the characters are sad, the loss is felt, and then everyone goes forward again. Especially if it happens at the end of a movie. By the time the next movie rolls into theatres the characters had time to grieve and we are already three steps forward. Not to mention that yes, once a character is death, you have lost a number of story telling opportunities.

Take Cap, if he had actually died in the ice we would have gotten neither The Winter Soldier or Civil War. The notion of someone sleeping in the ice for 70 years and then is defrosted and has to deal with the fact that the world he knew is gone and his love interest is now an old woman with memory problems is in a way more heart-breaking, but also eternally more interesting. As is what happened to Bucky, a good man, who was Po W for 70 years, forced to work as an assassin. Each time The Winter Soldier killed a target, there wasn't just one victim, there were at least two. Again, way more interesting than Bucky having died from the fall and Steve still grieving about him because for him it happened just a few years ago.

What is more interesting, Frigga calling out Loki on his self-hatred, or he destroying himself because she died? To me, the former one. What makes Frigga's death compelling nevertheless is not THAT it happened, but HOW it happened, that Loki lead the killer to her, not knowing what would happen, destroying the one person who still loved him with no "buts" attached to it because he wanted to spite his father. That is the interesting part in all this, not that she died.

Killing Hawkeye's family? Boring. Yeah, he will be grieving, but what's the point in all this? Him actually having a family on the other hand is interesting, because what his action mean to them is another layer one shouldn't overlook. Some with Scott, btw, his main goal in live is to be there for his daughter, but he ends up in trouble and apart from her constantly because he uses his abilities very impulsively.

edited 24th May '16 6:07:23 AM by Swanpride

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57705: May 24th 2016 at 7:39:17 AM

There's also a very annoying shared opinion that killing his wife and kids would make him closer to his comic counterpart as he's depicted in the fan favorite Matt Fractions series, and that makes no sense to me. A man who has his wife and children violently murdered does not magically become a lovable slacker Manchild.

Karl Urban talks Skurge.

edited 24th May '16 8:49:03 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57706: May 24th 2016 at 8:08:06 AM

I love Karl Urban. I love Skurge. I love that storyline. All of these are great in my mind.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57707: May 24th 2016 at 9:07:51 AM

Gwyneth Paltrow, Chris Evans, and Robert Downey Jr. Team Up to Visit Marvel Fan Fighting Cancer

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57708: May 24th 2016 at 9:30:47 AM

Ruffalo said She plays the worst of the worst. So evil. She is going to kill us. It’s such a great part she gets to play.” about Hela

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#57709: May 24th 2016 at 10:28:58 AM

I've always thought that this would be the best way to do it, as Thanos's opening move or something after he gets hold of the stones. "I have power over life and death, and you're all fucked."

  • Thanos: The end has come. Global extinction is assured. My forces will guarantee your doom and I will walk on a carpet of your skulls. I have resurrected countless phantoms of your past. Quicksilver. Killian. Malekith. The Red Skull. Uh...a bald guy in an Iron Man knockoff armor? A 50's era computer reel—okay, seriously guys, your villains suck. ... Where was I?
  • Stark: Skull carpet.
  • Thanos: That's right, thank you. Ahem. The Avengers will be no match for my unbeatable Masters of Evil!
  • U.S. Marshal: Excuse me, are you Thanos?
  • Thanos: ...yes? I'm kinda in the middle of something.
  • U.S. Marshal: This won't take long. Can you sign this?
  • Thanos: Um. Okay? (sign)
  • U.S. Marshal: Thank you. Consider yourself served.
  • Thanos: What.
  • U.S. Marshal: That's a subpoena. Zemo's suing you for copyright infringement. He'll see you in court.
  • Thanos: This can't wait? I've got this whole annihilation of the planet Earth thing going on.
  • Stark: Problem?
  • Thanos: No, no, I've got it. I think we might have to reschedule your doom to another time, I have to deal with this.
  • Stark: If you need an attorney, I recommend Hogarth, Chao, & Benawitz. I hear they do good work.
  • Thanos: Thanks, I'll give them a call. So, does June 6th work for everyone? We'll meet back here, I'll annihilate your planet, we'll do lunch.
  • Stark: Sounds good. I'll put it on my schedule. Best of luck.
  • Rogers: >.< This is why I didn't want to sign the Accords.

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57710: May 24th 2016 at 10:46:13 AM

i wonder what Taika did to Skurge cuz this is a character i would never care to invest in. the only comic he stands out in is Skurge's Last Stand. hnmmm. i hope he doesnt talk third person phrases. his comicbook dialogue makes him sound hulkish

edited 24th May '16 10:50:35 AM by FictionWriterKing

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57711: May 24th 2016 at 11:41:11 AM

Presumably they're going to give Skurge the arc they should've given Kurse.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#57712: May 24th 2016 at 12:42:49 PM

Film Crit Hulk on Civil War and story stagnation caused by assumed empathy.

GREAT MOMENTS HAVE EVER SO SLIGHTLY BEEN REPLACED WITH GREAT JOKES. ACTUAL CONFLICTS HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH GENERAL FEELINGS. AND [...] THE VILLAINS ARE NOW CONSIDERED MERE OBSTACLES TO THE CHARACTERS "DOING WHAT THEY WANT / BEING THEMSELVES." MEANING IT'S NO LONGER ABOUT VILLAINS BEING OBSTACLES TO THEIR GROWTH, THE VILLAINS ARE JUST OBSTACLES TO THE ENTERTAINMENT. SO THEY TAKE A BACK SEAT AND BECOME BORING FUDDY DUDDIES THAT THE HEROES CAN EFFECTIVELY MAKE FACES AT.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57713: May 24th 2016 at 1:07:36 PM

Good, I hate the way he writes his articles...it is always hard to slog through all the caps and find the point of the article...which, I guess, boils down to "how dare Marvel to make movies which are a little bit structured like a series, expecting the audience to remember what happened in the movies beforehand, and how dare them to take their time building up a big arc instead of rushing to the end so that every movie feels like a stand alone". And my answer to this is always the same: You don't have to like it, but it is an interesting experiment. Claiming that movies have to work as stand alone and need to lead to a full conclusion is just wrong. That's not what the movie going experience used to be. There was a time people were watching shorts and newsreels and serials on the big screen. Not excepting a story-telling construct which obviously works for the audience just because it is different is just incredible snobbish in my eyes.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57714: May 24th 2016 at 1:12:59 PM

[up]2 a lot of people disagree with this one because they think he misread the MCU under CW's context while others think he contradicted his indulgence remark in MOS's assumed empathy article when criticizing ant man and spiderman's role. also it's the first time these people on BFD disagreed with him based on their comments.

i agree with the first comment "So, bottom line, I think HULK overstates the case somewhat in terms of the current state of the Marvel Studios universe, but his criticisms can fairly be read as a warning for where we could wind up if they're not careful to rein in their inappropriate instincts."

edited 24th May '16 1:27:50 PM by FictionWriterKing

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57715: May 24th 2016 at 2:02:27 PM

"Presumably they're going to give Skurge the arc they should've given Kurse." idk what Alan originally did with Kurse but based on the comics he's blah so whatever it was must have been something... idk

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#57716: May 24th 2016 at 2:04:09 PM

If you don't love Kurse, BABYSITTER OF ASGARD

then you probably have no joy in your soul

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#57717: May 24th 2016 at 2:06:19 PM

In regards to showing characters the spirits of people they've lost: I can think of something they could do with Barton that doesn't involve killing his family. And it would give us a little more background on his character. I'm guessing we don't know for sure that MCU Hawkeye was actually in the circus or any of that, yes? They could at least allude to that by showing him what turns out to be his brother Barney. Or, something that could work for Barton, Bruce, 'and' Natasha: rather than lost loved ones or people they've killed, torment them with all the people they failed to save. I think that would be more hurtful, because even if they've come to terms with their pasts and all the blood they shed, a big part of that was probably because as SHIELD agents/Avengers, they could tell themselves that's not who they were any more; they're doing the right thing now. Getting slapped in the face with the fact that people were still dying because of them would be a pretty harsh blow.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57718: May 24th 2016 at 2:07:50 PM

[up]2 i dont care for the majority of thor's rogue gallery. 96% are generic bad guys 101 like tonys. i just like how many explosions they cause and how cool they look when doing it lol

edited 24th May '16 2:08:53 PM by FictionWriterKing

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57719: May 24th 2016 at 2:10:07 PM

I like the Midgaurd Serpent and the vast majorities of the Loki iterations. And I THINK I like Hela and the Enchantress.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#57720: May 24th 2016 at 2:11:31 PM

The Midgard Serpent is great at chinwagging. Probably because his chin is so big. Plus he once pretended to be Fin Fang Foom for absolutely no goddamn reason.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57722: May 24th 2016 at 2:18:00 PM

[up][up] I was wondering if that ever happened.

I would it would give a tacticle advantage of under estimation.

Midguard Serpent turned up in Loki Agent of Asgaurd last year; sadly he was mute with frustration. Murdered everything though.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#57723: May 24th 2016 at 2:24:22 PM

During the Simonson run Thor met the Midgard Serpent when both of them were pretending not to be themselves.

They had a nice long chat.

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#57724: May 24th 2016 at 2:30:13 PM

Marvel would make all the billions of dollars if they did that in Ragnarok, and all the tens of billions if they did it with Groucho glasses.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57725: May 24th 2016 at 2:47:32 PM

The easiest way to differentiate Skurge from MCU Kurse would be to give him an actual personality. (Yes I'm still annoyed with how badly handled the villains in The Dark World were.)


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