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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57676: May 23rd 2016 at 6:47:02 PM

Agents of SHIELD also introduces another speedsters, Yo-Yo Rodriguez, who is awesome. They are also careful to make sure her speed isn't a Story-Breaker Power by making it so she can only travel at super-speed for the length of one heartbeat and then bounces back to where she was originally (hence the nickname "Yo-Yo").

edited 23rd May '16 6:47:19 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57677: May 23rd 2016 at 6:48:59 PM

I highly recommend giving AOS another chance. I did after a while and now it's one of my favorite things in the MCU.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#57678: May 23rd 2016 at 6:53:45 PM

I mean, whenever I hear the latest news about whatever major superhero is totally dead for good this time, no seriously for real this time, my first thought is always "wonder when they'll be back."

To be fair, both Marvel and DC seem to be aware the card doesn't work anymore, openly acknowledging certain twists will at some point be undone while simultaneously trying to allow those twists to run as far as they can go. Marvel, for instance, has been quite committed in keeping Wolverine six feet under.

But yeah, I fully acknowledge that asking for Quicksilver back is pure fanboyism, and while there are ways to do it there's nothing (as far as I know) that wouldn't cheapen both his death and Wanda's development since. But damn can it still hurt a bit.

edited 23rd May '16 6:54:30 PM by Watchtower

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57679: May 23rd 2016 at 7:28:56 PM

I mean, when Thanos inevitably gets the Infinity Gauntlet and the power of a God, he could totally tempt Scarlet Witch by bringing Quicksilver back to life. In the comics, he pretty much killed half the universe and then that was reversed at the end. So technically, it could happen. But it probably won't, because then death would be completely meaningless.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#57680: May 23rd 2016 at 7:30:37 PM

I agree. I would like it if they had something like Thanos or Hela using his soul to taunt Wanda.

I've always thought that this would be the best way to do it, as Thanos's opening move or something after he gets hold of the stones. "I have power over life and death, and you're all fucked."

edited 23rd May '16 7:37:55 PM by Pseudopartition

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#57681: May 23rd 2016 at 7:34:15 PM

Actually, I think post Infinity War you could bring Quicksilver back and use how long he's been gone as a jumping off point for good character development.

A good writer/director could explore the time he's lost in a different way from Captain America, since unlike Cap everyone he knew is still alive. It'd be interesting to see how he adjusts to a world with supers popping up left and right, no Avengers, and his sister having come into being a superhero on her own.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57682: May 23rd 2016 at 7:38:57 PM

Him screwing with all the Avengers by either bringing back or showing them shades of people they lost would make for a pretty cool scene.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#57683: May 23rd 2016 at 7:41:53 PM

So I watched the first episode of Season Two (I know) of Daredevil.

Am I supposed to ship Murgy? Because I ship it way harder than Karen and either of them, within the first two minutes.

My various fanfics.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#57684: May 23rd 2016 at 7:45:33 PM

That does sound like a really cool idea. Let's see:

  • Steve: Peggy
  • Tony: His parents
  • Thor: Odin (assuming he dies in Ragnarok)
  • Wanda: Quicksilver
  • Star Lord: His mom
  • T'Challa: T'Chaka

I can't think of anyone for Widow, Hawkeye, or Hulk.

This song needs more love.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57685: May 23rd 2016 at 7:46:32 PM

Probably everyone Widow's had to kill, and maybe Betty for Hulk (though that'd be a longshot). No idea for Hawkeye.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57686: May 23rd 2016 at 7:51:24 PM

Banner could get himself as he could have been if the Hulk wasn't part of his life.

Probably everyone Widow's had to kill

Widow (and Bucky, if he's there) having to face down everyone she killed Sorrow style would be awesome, that or having to face her old self in some way.

[down] I was, it's just that Banner hasn't really lost anybody. But he has lost any possibility of a normal life or anything that could make him happy.

edited 23rd May '16 7:54:08 PM by KnownUnknown

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57687: May 23rd 2016 at 7:52:31 PM

Oh, I thought y'all were talking about things torturing them or something.

Widow would probably have a life free of all the red in her ledger, and I guess Hawkeye would stick with his family.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#57688: May 23rd 2016 at 7:54:22 PM

There's also Frigga for Thor, and who knows who else come Ragnarok.

Oh God! Natural light!
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#57689: May 23rd 2016 at 7:58:19 PM

Am I supposed to ship Murgy? Because I ship it way harder than Karen and either of them, within the first two minutes.
Considering how much of Foggy's dialogue in those minutes is straight up "worried significant other in a superhero story," this is perfectly reasonable.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#57690: May 23rd 2016 at 7:59:13 PM

Seriously, from the moment I heard "You're my partner, I don't wanna lose you," I just wanted to scream MAKE OUT ALREADY

My various fanfics.
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#57692: May 23rd 2016 at 8:27:21 PM

It's present in the first season, too. Foggy v. Nelson reads like a breakup episode.

Quoteth a friend of mine "although Foggy would have amazing chemistry with a rock, let'sberealhere."

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57693: May 23rd 2016 at 8:32:11 PM

@Thanos showing people the Avengers have lost: Hawkeye could get his family assuming they die like in the comics. If Spider-Man is there he'd probably see uncle Ben.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#57694: May 23rd 2016 at 8:40:20 PM

[up]?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57695: May 23rd 2016 at 8:47:18 PM

I don't think they're gonna kill Hawkeye's family.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57696: May 23rd 2016 at 8:58:31 PM

Me neither. It's lazy storytelling plus I don't want Clintasha's Fan Dumb to get that satisfaction.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57697: May 23rd 2016 at 9:13:22 PM

Lazy storytelling?

You know what? Anyone else, I'd have said it's a sure thing, but in this case, MCU gets the benefit of the doubt.

But if they waste it, that's it. I don't hand that shit out for free.

One Strip! One Strip!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57698: May 23rd 2016 at 9:53:40 PM

Killing someone's wife and children to make them go on revenge is lazy storytelling. That's why it's used so often — it's basically shorthand, giving a character a very, very basic reason to go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge. It can be used interesting or even subversively — in Mad Max, Max leaves the room before he even knows his wife is dead in order to get revenge and it seems as if he doesn't even care if she lives or dies, he is completely consumed by his rage — but most of the time, it's lazy and requires the killing women and children as a plot device.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57699: May 24th 2016 at 2:19:55 AM

I still think that death is the most boring of all consequences.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon

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