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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57501: May 20th 2016 at 3:38:08 PM

I still remember all the edits on Civil War when the movie was first announced saying Hulk and Thor would be in it and that it would be about the heroes being forced to reveal their identities.

I also had to delete a ton of stuff from the Infinity War page because some people don't know the difference between tropes and WMG.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#57502: May 20th 2016 at 3:46:23 PM

I got some of the speculation off Film.Thor Ragnarok. YMMV might need some cleanup too, I don't pay enough attention to the fandom to know what's valid.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#57503: May 20th 2016 at 4:08:22 PM

I don't think any of the MCU films referencing the tv shows is all that likely except perhaps a small one that astute viewers would catch. Not particularly likely that the netflix cast would be in the films i think.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57504: May 20th 2016 at 4:20:24 PM

Expecting your audience to watch 100 hours of TV to understand what is going on in a 2 hour movie is ridiculous. It's a very bad business decision to have the movies directly connect to the TV shows because it would completely kill your movie-going audience.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57506: May 20th 2016 at 4:25:46 PM

The scheduling is a problem, because it would tie up the hands of the show runners, but let's not forget that Peggy turned up in the MCU all the time, and Maria Hill was in Agents of Shield a couple of times. Also, they just introduced Spider-man with a "see, there is this guy who has been around for sixth months". You can easily introduce any character from the TV shows as long as you do it in a way which doesn't require from the audience to actually watch the shows. Hell, you could add Matt Murdock as a random lawyer without ever mentioning his second job.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57507: May 20th 2016 at 4:28:38 PM

I imagine once AOS ends MARVEL may decide, given that they can do what they like with those character then without worrying what the show will do with them, reintroducing them into the film side, eluding to their adventures on the show, but on the most part writing them assuming the audience has never seen them before.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57508: May 20th 2016 at 4:31:25 PM

They could introduce Mockingbird and Hunter now...I don't think that they will, but they could.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57509: May 20th 2016 at 4:33:10 PM

The other major hurdle is the Netflix shows are decidedly not for children. Marvel banks heavily on the family crowd for their movies and there's really nothing in them that crosses the line so heavily that there's no way a child could watch it. The Netflix shows on the other hand are aimed pretty squarely at adults, and Marvel might want to keep it that way.

For instance, people working on Disney Infinity said they were told not to include any of the Netflix characters (even though the game skews heavily towards the MCU) because they were worried that kids might see these people hanging out with the Avengers and then decide to watch the TV shows.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57510: May 20th 2016 at 4:35:53 PM

Hmmmmmm, I'm not sure how I feel about that.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57511: May 20th 2016 at 4:36:51 PM

[up][up]Being fair, that was only about Jessica Jones.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57512: May 20th 2016 at 4:50:30 PM

This was the quote.

“So when we went and talked to Marvel, they were like ‘look, our priority is to bring more kids into Marvel at a younger age and we’d like Disney Infinity as a vehicle to do that.’ So when we talk about characters like The Punisher, and Daredevil, and Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage, what happens is if a kid comes into Disney Infinity and plays with these characters they can be like ‘I’m really interested in learning more about this character.’

“Now they go see the TV show and all of the sudden, we were the vehicle to introduce them to this hyper-violent character,” Vigniocchi said. “Imagine if we had Deadpool and the kid is like ‘I want to see the movie!’ If you’ve seen it, you know in the first 10 minutes, it’s like ‘oh my God!’ and you don’t want anyone under the age of 13 to see that.”

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#57514: May 20th 2016 at 4:53:11 PM

Goddamn, I can't believe how excited I actually am for Thor: Ragnarok now.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#57515: May 20th 2016 at 5:56:49 PM

Well, Disney Infinity is fucked an' done now, so let's just screw that noise already.

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A procrastination in of itself
#57516: May 20th 2016 at 6:03:27 PM

Expecting your audience to watch 100 hours of TV to understand what is going on in a 2 hour movie is ridiculous.

And nobody is asking for that, but you can do a shoutout or similar without expending that everyone has watched the TV show, you make getting the reference an optional extra, not a mandatory part of understanding the film.

Wasn't man-thing or similar referenced in one of the films or show? Plenty of folks won't have gotten that reference, but it was still made, because you can made a shoutout or reference without expecting all of the audience to understand it.

Hell at this point considering that Fury pulled a Hellicarrier out of his arse in Age of Ulton he could probably pull a superhero or two and people would file it under "Dam, Nick Fury sure does always have an ace up his sleeve".

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57517: May 20th 2016 at 6:10:15 PM

The only show that would be problematic is Agents of SHIELD, and that's only because that show keeps trying to Do It Big. The basic premise isn't that hard to bring back in, especially since AOU.

It's be a lot easier to mention or reference Kingpin if a movie goes back to New York or Jessica Jones on the topic of superhumans who have made the news than it would be to explain Hive if they want to use HYDRA again, or Jiaying if the Inhumans movie ever gets off the ground. Which is where the choice to just not acknowledge them comes into play.

Kingpin, especially, would be easy to just plop into a Spider-Man movie without being explained or even requiring him to be important.

edited 20th May '16 6:13:44 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57518: May 20th 2016 at 6:43:50 PM

Wasn't man-thing or similar referenced in one of the films or show?
Yep, AOS deliberately referenced Man-Thing. It was awesome. (They also referenced Bessie the Hellcow. I will bring that up as much as I can.)

The only show that would be problematic is Agents of SHIELD, and that's only because that show keeps trying to Do It Big. The basic premise isn't that hard to bring back in, especially since AOU.
The problem was in the beginning, with all the cases of the week, there really didn't seem to be that much at stake. People criticized the show for being boring and having dull characters. It was when Winter Soldier hit and the show actually did go big with Hydra that it became really interesting.

I do think that after the giant Hive storyline, they should do a back-to-basics approach — and it does look like they are doing that, with Coulson no longer as the Director and a cool LMD storyline and no idea who the next villain will be (please let it be AIM and MODOK).

edited 20th May '16 6:43:56 PM by alliterator

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#57519: May 20th 2016 at 6:46:51 PM

So here's something I didn't know before. Tom Hiddleston originally auditioned to be Thor.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57520: May 20th 2016 at 6:55:52 PM

And he looked like an 80s hair metal band member while doing it too. It's pretty great.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57521: May 20th 2016 at 7:06:22 PM

Well, Disney Infinity is fucked an' done now, so let's just screw that noise already.

It's not just Infinity. They said that was the same reason why they didn't use the MCU versions of the Netflix heroes in Lego Avengers.

Of course I could be way off base, but I would imagine that's because someone at Disney wants the two to remain separate.

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#57522: May 20th 2016 at 7:08:23 PM

[up][up] Apparently some of the other finalists to become Thor included Charlie Hunam and Liam Hemsworth.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57523: May 20th 2016 at 7:33:37 PM

[up]Brother vs. brother. How appropriate.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#57524: May 20th 2016 at 8:08:44 PM

It's really hard for me to picture Liam as Thor, mostly because my literal shorthand for him is "Baby Thor".

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#57525: May 20th 2016 at 8:38:46 PM

[up]x6 Apparently leaving with a different character than the one they planned on is a bit of a trend in MCU; I read somewhere that Sebastian Stan originally auditioned to play Captain America.


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